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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:03 pm to wm72
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:03 pm to wm72
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Yet the one person you would want making this decision if you were Winston or the alleged victim is Meggs. He is 70 years old and serving his seventh and last term. The former police officer has dedicated his career to the state attorney’s office. He’s tangled with FSU sports stars before and has not bowed to the worship of them or former coach Bobby Bowden.
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“It’s a damn hard job, but I’ve never seen Willie do a favor for the athletes or the school,” said attorney David McGee, who started with Meggs as an intern in 1975. “The political stuff rolls off his back. He’s a hard-headed son of a gun. He won’t care much because he’s not running for re-election again.
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“You can’t be in that town and not get cases involving FSU athletes. They are 19-year-old boys feeling their oats. The biggest mistake is to listen to politicians or media or fans. You only listen to the cold, hard facts.”
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In a statement, the alleged victim’s family said her attorney, Patricia Carroll, was told by a detective that in “a big football town” the victim “needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable.”
Not untrue, said McGee, who has prosecuted rape cases.
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“It’s a disservice if you do not advise them up front how the victim’s morals and motives will be questioned even more than those of the accused,” he said. “These are often complicated scenarios. Sometimes, the people involved don’t even know what really happened because they had a bellyful of liquor. It’s a difficult process, and if you lose, it’s devastating.”
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Based on what is known, including the 11-month lag time, DNA evidence that Winston will argue shows only consensual sex and two witnesses in his favor, the case does not appear to be provable beyond a reasonable doubt, McGee said.
“This one is a dog, and if I’m in the state attorney’s office, I don’t want it,” he said. “It’s a problematic, one-on-one case. Willie has to ask, ‘Can I win it?’ If he says no, it’s not ethical to take the case.”
Adding to the problematic nature, at one point she said she did not want to prosecute.
“And that was back when he was not ‘Famous Jameis,’” McGee said.
A year ago, Winston was a freshman backup. Today, he is the most dynamic college quarterback in the land. But his powers on the field are useless while he waits.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:18 pm to TheOcean
I think what alot of people are forgetting is that Winston is baseball stud as well. FSU is almost as big on baseball as they are football and if i'm not mistaken, Winston was already slated to be a huge contributor in pitching for the season. So the cover theory towards football does seem a bit sketchy, but if you add in the fact that they may lose a pitcher and a future star qb, now the cover up theory makes just a bit more sense
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Winston was already slated to be a huge contributor in pitching for the season.
He was expected to play some, but definitely not be a star. And baseball is far, far less popular than football.
The cover up theory is
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:25 pm to TheOcean
Well i did say its not as big as football, but a star athlete that was slated to be the next "Charlie Ward" is going to be protected even if he is a freshman. Everyone knows that Craig sold Winston's farther on that same idea and that he was the future of the program and the future success would be built around him so with the future riding on Winston they had to protect him
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:28 pm to MontyFranklyn
D craig let the TPD know he sold Winston's father on the fact that he would be the next Ward?
Makes sense. Got anything else for us?
Makes sense. Got anything else for us?
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:30 pm to TheOcean
quote:What is really sad about this response is that you highlight my quote about him being a contributor, but you inferred that I said he was going to be a star. I did say he was a stud, but never said that he was a star. Now I see why FSU fans are being so delusional and defensive because you all purposely take things out of context and exactly what you want from anything to fit your argument. It is truly sad dude
Winston was already slated to be a huge contributor in pitching for the season.
He was expected to play some, but definitely not be a star. And baseball is far, far less popular than football.
The cover up theory is
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:32 pm to MontyFranklyn
So because Winston was a 5* recruit and D craig sold his father on him being the next Ward, the TPD purposely fricked up the investigation?
Please.
Please.
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:34 pm to TheOcean
quote:Dude you are hilarious
D craig let the TPD know he sold Winston's father on the fact that he would be the next Ward?
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:35 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Was that not the buzz around Tallahassee?
No. The fricking buzz in Tallassee was EJ fricking Manuel.
You bama idiots are incredible.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:37 pm to TheOcean
quote:Dude please go back and read what I wrote originally. If you had comprehension skills, which I see you lack, I simply stated that the theory of the police cover had holds in it if you only apply them to Winston playing football. I said that if you add in the baseball aspect and the Charlie Ward thing then it makes a little more sense. Devil's advocate
So because Winston was a 5* recruit and D craig sold his father on him being the next Ward, the TPD purposely fricked up the investigation?
Please
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:38 pm to TheOcean
So there was no buzz and excitement about Winston coming in being the next Charlie Ward? Is this is what you are saying?
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:44 pm to TheOcean
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The cover up theory is
Ocean, it's NOT far fetched. Not at all. If the DETECTIVES for example can't "detect" who the hell Jameis Winston was at that point in a big time football-centric town then they need to be looked into for a different sort of incompetence than what is being alleged. You know you're trying so fervently to low-ball Winston's status at the time as well because it flies in the face of your talking points.
Look we all know of towns that have cottage industries or big influences of one type or another. Tallahassee is no different, it's obviously rife with FSU influence and football is a driving force. You have to be naïve to think that there isn't pressure, implicit or explicit, put on the TPD to treat the football team types differently. The detective even cautioned the girl of this potential "trouble" which would come from the allegations alone. Are you really going to keep pretending that a star recruit/player didn't garner some special closed door sessions within the TPD? If you don't think that is possible, even likely then your intellectual honesty is, no pun, out to sea...
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 12:59 pm to Crimson1st
There is no use trying with Ocean. He drank the kool aid long ago
Posted on 11/29/13 at 1:16 pm to Crimson1st
I ultimately hope they make the right decision.
But do people not realize OTHER top QB recruits?
Russell Shepard, Gunner Kiel (who was ranked ahead of Winston), and Alabama's #1 QB recruit..........Philip Sims.
C'mon. I ask again. Would they really do it soley for the fact he COULD be a good QB?
Maybe someone botched it, maybe they were just crappy detectives.
But to do it for a player MOST didnt think would even start a year ago?
Do people not realize it looked as though Clint Trickett was going to be the starter and that because Jameis was spending time with baseball.....he would very well be behind Jacob Coker.
Jameis was the THIRD STRING QB in spring ball. Trickett and Coker had their own squads....Jameis would come in for Trickett's squad.
Again. This isnt saying something didnt happen. This isnt saying he's innocent.
But I'm not going to keep running with the belief that police are covering for a guy who had proved NOTHING at that point.
I could see if he did something in the next couple of weeks (before all of this stuff) and then they tried to hide it. I could possibly see that. But back then? Really?
Hell, for all we know Jameis could have been the next Xavier Lee.
But do people not realize OTHER top QB recruits?
Russell Shepard, Gunner Kiel (who was ranked ahead of Winston), and Alabama's #1 QB recruit..........Philip Sims.
C'mon. I ask again. Would they really do it soley for the fact he COULD be a good QB?
Maybe someone botched it, maybe they were just crappy detectives.
But to do it for a player MOST didnt think would even start a year ago?
Do people not realize it looked as though Clint Trickett was going to be the starter and that because Jameis was spending time with baseball.....he would very well be behind Jacob Coker.
Jameis was the THIRD STRING QB in spring ball. Trickett and Coker had their own squads....Jameis would come in for Trickett's squad.
Again. This isnt saying something didnt happen. This isnt saying he's innocent.
But I'm not going to keep running with the belief that police are covering for a guy who had proved NOTHING at that point.
I could see if he did something in the next couple of weeks (before all of this stuff) and then they tried to hide it. I could possibly see that. But back then? Really?
Hell, for all we know Jameis could have been the next Xavier Lee.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 1:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
There was the same amount of buzz for Winston as every other big time FSU recruit. No more no less. Especially with how many big time recruits have been busts at FSU.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 1:36 pm to massiveattack
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massiveattack
Not only are you massive moron, but you've added absolutely nothing to this thread other than your constant flaming of Winston supporters.
Get off my nuts.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 2:19 pm to Rittdog
Reading the last few pages of this thread, one thing jumps out more than anything else:
Bama fans are absolutely frightened of the prospects of facing FSU in the title game if Winston plays.
Bama fans are absolutely frightened of the prospects of facing FSU in the title game if Winston plays.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 2:34 pm to shel311
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Bama fans are absolutely frightened of the prospects of facing FSU in the title game if Winston plays.
That team has played one good team all year. A good team that doesn't have a defense. They haven't faced one good defense all year.
Not worried about them running up the score on those nobodies who can't stop anybody.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 2:36 pm to shel311
quote:Dude is afraid of Winston just like no one was afraid of JFF, EG, CM and whomever else we had to face and defeat. The point is that FSU fans are being so fricking one sided on this it is sickening and its just because he is their one hope. Like I and many others have stated, if he were just some random black student then the vast majority of same white FSU fans defending Winston to no end would be ready to crucify the random student and drag him through the mud like they have done this young lady. This is what is truly sad, but if you try to reason with any of them they pick and construe every thing to favor their argument of defense.
Bama fans are absolutely frightened of the prospects of facing FSU in the title game if Winston plays.
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