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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:43 am to Sophandros
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:43 am to Sophandros
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Let me guess: you think the "what do you tell a woman with two black eyes" joke is funny...
Nah.
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:54 am to Sophandros
How do you know about them if they weren't reported?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 6:09 am to Sophandros
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Part of why so few rapes are reported is because of the negative consequences. Now you want to add more..
Also, how about we play a game of "compare negative consequences". You can list the negative consequences for reporting rape. And I'll list the negative consequences for fabricating a rape claim. I'll go first.
1. Innocent person has to defend himself in a criminal trial where the evidentiary rules are grossly stacked against him.
1(a). By way of example, Mike Tyson's accuser had a history of false rape accusations. Tyson was unable to introduce this evidence at trial because of rape shield laws. I'm not sure whether Tyson raped Desiree Washington or not. But let's assume he didn't. Assume that's you in that situation, and you're accused of rape by some chick who cries rape more often than I change socks. Wouldn't you want that evidence to be introduced to the jury? Doesn't that make it THAT much harder to prove your innocence?
2. As such, the accuser faces an uphill battle at trial. Which makes it more likely that an innocent defendant will be found guility and will then.
3. Spend the rest of their life, or a good portion of their remaining life, behind bars in prison.
4. And if they happen to beat the odds at trial and be found not guilty...
5. Their reputation is still tarnished for the rest of their lives.
Your turn.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 6:13 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:01 am to DeonG
Unreported rape:
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As for false accusations, I'm not denying that it's a problem; rather, I'm in the camp that says that you're drastically over stating the rate of false accusations. No one is defending false accusations, so drop that strawman argument.
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As for false accusations, I'm not denying that it's a problem; rather, I'm in the camp that says that you're drastically over stating the rate of false accusations. No one is defending false accusations, so drop that strawman argument.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 7:05 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:03 am to Sophandros
Regarding this case, we don't know what has happened. A lot from both sides seems fishy, but it would be irresponsible to call the accuser a liar or the accused a rapist at this point.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:09 am to Sophandros
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it would be irresponsible to call the accuser a liar or the accused a rapist at this point.
Upon further review, I agree with this statement
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:14 am to DeonG
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Do some research on false rape claims. The numbers are staggering. There is a website about false rape claims. Start there.
Do you know how many rapes are reported every year? I don't think the number of false rape claims is as staggering as you think.
Does it occur? Absolutely. Should every rape claim be taken at face value? Absolutely not. To say that the number of false rape claims is staggering is inaccurate and misleading. The number of women who report rape or attempted rape every year is staggering. Not the number of false claims.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 7:15 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:16 am to DeonG
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You can list the negative consequences for reporting rape.
1. People like you automatically assuming they weren't raped.
2. They most likely were raped to report being raped.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 7:18 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:17 am to LaBornNRaised
quote:Large-sample anonymous surveys and shite.
How do you know about them if they weren't reported?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:20 am to the808bass
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Does it occur? Absolutely. Should every rape claim be taken at face value? Absolutely not. To say that the number of false rape claims is staggering is inaccurate and misleading. The number of women who report rape or attempted rape every year is staggering. Not the number of false claims.
We still have to protect the acussed because the plaintiff in the rape case has an unusual ability to circumvent the defense's ability to defend themselves.
The acussed really should not have their name dragged around in public until they become convicted.
Beyond that the people that do make false claims have a variety of potential motivations. So for you to pretend to know who should or shouldn't be protected from false allegations tells me you haven't thought the impact of false claims through.
Even if Jamies is innocent his reputation is tarnished now, don't you see how this isn't all about the accuser/plaintiff/victim?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:21 am to the808bass
Don't know how this will play out but it certainly doesn't look good for Winston. This wasn't your typical shame accusation. She went straight to the cops and hospital and had photos taken of her "injuries". My guess is that the Tallahassee pd didn't take her seriously and told her to stfu or else you'll be drug through the mud. He will likely be charged soon unless she comes out and changes her story. Also dude is a dick to be trying to get some arse before his gf travels to visit him.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:25 am to League Champs
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Photos of injuries were taken
This will be the key point in the investigation.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:32 am to DeonG
Why is the exculpating evidence from two witnesses not in the timeline?
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The attorney for Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston asserted Thursday evening that he has two witnesses who can provide information to authorities that would likely clear the Heisman Trophy front-runner in an alleged December 2012 sexual assault.
Attorney Tim Jansen told FOX Sports that the two witnesses — one of whom was interviewed Thursday and one of whom is scheduled to talk to investigators on Friday — would provide “exculpatory” information to authorities.
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Jansen told Fox Sports that he's supplied the state attorney's office with two witness affidavits providing “exculpatory” – or favorable to a suspect – information. Meggs confirms he's received the two affidavits.
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:33 am to DeonG
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Charles P. McDowell, a researcher in the United States Air Force Special Studies Division,
Yea, this guy doesn't have any serious bias or conflict of interest.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:34 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
One of the witnesses is her own roommate (allegedly, of course)
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 7:35 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:36 am to MagicCityBlazer
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The acussed really should not have their name dragged around in public until they become convicted.
If this "wasn't dragged around in public," apparently the police wouldn't have even released the evidence to the State's Attorney's office. So I think this very story may negate your above claim. I agree that a person shouldn't be automatically assumed to be guilty of everything they're accused.
quote:I think I've thought the impact of false claims through. The justice system is there, ostensibly, to find justice. It cannot weight one side or the other. The fact that sports websites are already outting information about the alleged victim is not an argument in your favor either. Basically, to this point, this case is a liberal feminist's dream to advance their narrative of rape culture. You see all sorts of idiots running through these threads saying without one scintilla of evidence that he isn't a rapist because he can bang whoever he wants or that they know the girl is seeking fame or money or publicity or wanting to get back at him or that they had a relationship prior to this event. If you want better treatment of accused, perhaps it's time to give better treatment to the accusers.
Beyond that the people that do make false claims have a variety of potential motivations. So for you to pretend to know who should or shouldn't be protected from false allegations tells me you haven't thought the impact of false claims through.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:37 am to the808bass
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If this "wasn't dragged around in public," apparently the police wouldn't have even released the evidence to the State's Attorney's office. So I think this very story may negate your above claim. I agree that a person shouldn't be automatically assumed to be guilty of everything they're accused.
Wrong. Her attorney could have picked up the phone and called the SAO.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:40 am to TheOcean
Is that how investigations work in Florida? Should it be how they work? Should I have to hire legal representation and have them contact the SAO to get the police to release evidence to them? Your football glasses are making you blind.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:43 am to the808bass
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If this "wasn't dragged around in public," apparently the police wouldn't have even released the evidence to the State's Attorney's office. So I think this very story may negate your above claim.
Wrong.
The defendant should not have undue burdens while the accuser is running around anonymous.
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Basically, to this point, this case is a liberal feminist's dream to advance their narrative of rape culture
Rape Culture was used for male prisons where more men are raped than the sum of female rape victims nationwide.
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If you want better treatment of accused, perhaps it's time to give better treatment to the accusers.
What else are we supposed to do? She already has extra legal protections. Should we just go ahead and lock Jameis up on her word alone?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:45 am to MagicCityBlazer
According to some of these dudes the victims testimony and accusation are worth more than gold
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