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re: No charges filed against Jameis Winston
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:48 am to MagicCityBlazer
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:48 am to MagicCityBlazer
The other incongruity is the drugged or too intoxicated angle. That was the initial report, she was either too drunk or drugged to consent (Steubenville scenario). Her lawyer asked for the blood results many times and finally was told in March that she was within legal limits. Yesterday in the family statement, the family says that she was not intoxicated.
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:50 am to MagicCityBlazer
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The defendant should not have undue burdens while the accuser is running around anonymous.
She's not anonymous anymore. Her name is out there. And he was given 11 months where he wasn't charged and they weren't even pursuing evidence against him. Do you see how that may negate your claim that she has "all the legal advantages." Does that bother you at all?
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What else are we supposed to do? She already has extra legal protections. Should we just go ahead and lock Jameis up on her word alone?
If you don't want anyone assuming Winston is guilty, perhaps you shouldn't want anyone assuming she made it up. I'm not sure why that bothers you.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:52 am to More beer please
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According to some of these dudes the victims testimony and accusation are worth more than gold
Who has said that?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:52 am to tiger2012
Yeah...I remember when this story first broke when they said she was highly intoxicated and remember thinking that didn't make any sense knowing the facts that we do.
She was allegedly raped around 1 or 2 in the morning. She drove herself to the police station at 4 AM to file a police report about the incident. How could she have done that if she was drunk?
She was allegedly raped around 1 or 2 in the morning. She drove herself to the police station at 4 AM to file a police report about the incident. How could she have done that if she was drunk?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:54 am to the808bass
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Do you see how that may negate your claim that she has "all the legal advantages." Does that bother you at all?
I don't know what her lawyer or the PD really have. So its hard for me to get worked up over an accusation yet.
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If you don't want anyone assuming Winston is guilty, perhaps you shouldn't want anyone assuming she made it up. I'm not sure why that bothers you.
I don't see many people carrying water for Winston if that's what you are referring to.
At the end of the day nobody here knows what each side of the case really have on the other and to assume that the PD didn't do its diligence is way premature.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:54 am to KosmoCramer
That is one of those BS made up statistics. 60/100 rapes go unreported? How does anyone know? It could be 6/100 or 600/1000. No one knows because they are UNREPORTED.
I'm sure that nifty little chart wasn't put out to support someone's political agenda, though.
I'm sure that nifty little chart wasn't put out to support someone's political agenda, though.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:55 am to Sophandros
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As for false accusations, I'm not denying that it's a problem; rather, I'm in the camp that says that you're drastically over stating the rate of false accusations.
and i believe you're in the camp that drastically overstates the rate of unreported rapes
the ying and yang of sexual assault, ESPECIALLY with "intoxication" as the angle
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:57 am to FootballNostradamus
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I think it's the later. Regardless, it's incredibly difficult for the woman not to win in today's day and age when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Its definitely worth investigating. I'd have to guess she was ok with sex and regretted it later from first glance, but that doesn't mean anything......truth needs to come out. Just hard to believe a guy like that who is going to have all the women he can handle being a big time QB at a football school like that would resort to that.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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the ying and yang of sexual assault, ESPECIALLY with "intoxication" as the angle
Oh God, there was someone I knew in college and she would get plastered and start calling guys(!) on the phone to come over for some more alcohol, as in drinking together, and in the morning she would get pissed and say they took advantage of her to her friends
anyways Montevallo CSB
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:59 am to SoFla Tideroller
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That is one of those BS made up statistics. 60/100 rapes go unreported? How does anyone know? It could be 6/100 or 600/1000. No one knows because they are UNREPORTED.
So if you're taking an anonymous survey and the questions says "have you been raped?" You're gonna mark "yes" just for fun? (I'm oversimplifying, obviously). You do understand that multiple large anonymous surveys are where these number are drawn from, right?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:00 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Just hard to believe a guy like that who is going to have all the women he can handle being a big time QB at a football school like that would resort to that.
Well he wasn't at the time. In fact he didn't even step on a baseball or football field at FSU yet. But I get the point, it's not impossible for a girl to hear how "big time" a recruit is, etc.
But if this is true and he is guilty, dude is crazy as frick. Doing this knowing your girlfriend is coming in and cops could pull up any minute with handcuffs.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:01 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Just hard to believe a guy like that who is going to have all the women he can handle being a big time QB at a football school like that would resort to that.
This is ridiculous. I would argue that a guy who's used to getting all he could handle, might not be as careful about some of the niceties of sexual politics.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:03 am to the808bass
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I would argue that a guy who's used to getting all he could handle, might not be as careful about some of the niceties of sexual politics
Male sexuality does not equal rapist.
Criminals are rapists, and have a very different psychology as to why they rape as compared to why a man engages in consensual sexual activity.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:03 am to MagicCityBlazer
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Oh God, there was someone I knew in college and she would get plastered and start calling guys(!) on the phone to come over for some more alcohol, as in drinking together, and in the morning she would get pissed and say they took advantage of her to her friends
yeah crazy people man. i hate them
"regret rape" is one of the most vile concepts of modern society. it boils my blood to a level i cannot explain (and i don't get riled up about almost anything in life)
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:04 am to MagicCityBlazer
I haven't read this entire thread, but has anything come out about the person who allegedly witnessed the rape? I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that person could potentially be charged, too as an accessory to the alleged rape?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:05 am to MagicCityBlazer
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I don't see many people carrying water for Winston if that's what you are referring to.
I don't think you're serious. Every other post is "false rape allegations are ridiculously high," "he could have any girl he wanted," "she just felt bad about it later," "Urban Meyer is setting him up."
I haven't even claimed she was raped. And there's dozens of posters ITT claiming she wasn't based on nothing more than a hunch.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:05 am to MagicCityBlazer
Right now the main defense in a rape case is to try to discredit the accuser by any means necessary. If this means to drag her through the mud, they will do that.
Accusers are not as protected as you think.
Accusers are not as protected as you think.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:06 am to the808bass
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So if you're taking an anonymous survey and the questions says "have you been raped?" You're gonna mark "yes" just for fun?
the question is what is rape exactly
rape (as a concept) has grown, and in many circles is ridiculous, to the point where regretting sex AFTER means no consent was given, and it's rape. militant feminists are famous for this definition (and also promote these studies)
these groups have no reason to exist without creating boogeymen like "Rape culture". don't think their motives are noble. they will create whatever statistic they need to stay relevant and keep funding/power
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:07 am to the808bass
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I don't think the number of false rape claims is as staggering as you think.
I don't think. It isn't my opinion.
Read the Stephen Kanin study who put at 41%. It's on the internet. Find me a flaw in the methodology. It's more than fair, it's conservative.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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and i believe you're in the camp that drastically overstates the rate of unreported rapes
I posted a link from the government regarding the rate of reporting.
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