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re: NHL Playoffs.

Posted on 4/29/10 at 10:40 am to
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 10:40 am to
East:
Pens over Habs in 5
Flyers over Bruins in 6

West:
Canucks over Hawks in 7
Sharks over Wings in 7

Pens over Flyers in 5
Canucks over Sharks in 6

Cup: Canucks over Pens in 6

-wishful thinking, I know.
Posted by dnwsr
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 11:02 am to
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Hawks are the best team in hockey, would love to see them win it all.


If they are, then they will. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them make it to the finals.

On a side note, I read that Ovie skipped the optional skate before Game 7. According to the report, just about every other player went, but Semin skipped as well. Isn't that something that the captain should probably attend? Or at least "encourage" someone like Semin to attend? I certainly didn't see a lack of effort of Ovie's part last night, but captain is more than just giving it a good individual effort IMO. Not that this is why they lost, but I don't think it helps.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 12:01 pm to
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If they are, then they will.

The best team rarely wins. I love the Stanley Cup playoffs, but the it doesn't mean the best teams wins.

The Blackhawks were the only team in the top five in most goals scored and fewest goals allowed. They are the most balanced team out there. And Duncan Keith is the best blueliner on the planet (and honestly, I don't think its as close as people believe).
Posted by dnwsr
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 12:28 pm to
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The best team rarely wins. I love the Stanley Cup playoffs, but the it doesn't mean the best teams wins.


I completely disagree. The best "regular" season team may not always win, but it's a best of 7 all the way through and every team in the league knows the format. It's hardly random/luck when you go through 4, 7 game series. If you win the Cup, you're the best team that year, period.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 12:31 pm to
Given that 8 seeds upset the 1 seed nearly 25% of the time, I'm just going to say the best team doesn't win. Upsets are just SO frequent in the Stanley Cup, that I think we want to read more into it other than that the playoffs are close to a crapshoot. Hell, the LIGHTNING won a Stanley Cup.

82 games tells us more about a team than 16.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 1:23 pm to
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Given that 8 seeds upset the 1 seed nearly 25% of the time, I'm just going to say the best team doesn't win
Some teams are made for the regular season and some teams are assembled for the Stanley Cup Playoffs...But if you get through the regular season and make the playoffs then knock off a top seeded team you deserve all the accolades you get...Stanley Cup playoffs after an 82 game season + preseason games=Hardest trophy to win bar none, you need Luck, Good Goal tending and a willingness to sacrifice...
Posted by dnwsr
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 2:54 pm to
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82 games tells us more about a team than 16.


They have a nice little trophy for the team who accrues the most points in those 82 games. And last time I checked, no player, fan, or coach in the NHL would want it over the Stanley Cup. And you should at least be consistent in your argument. If we're going by the 82 regular season games, then don't claim that the Blackhawks were the best team when they clearly were not. The Caps were the best team by far in the regular season and the Sharks had more points than the Hawks as well. Your argument can then be reduced to this: whoever I happen to like and say is the best team in a given year, is indeed the best team regardless of if they win the President's or the Stanley Cup. And I'd argue that if the rules were changed to strictly reflect an 82 game season (with no playoffs and most points in that season wins), then you'd see different teams at the top of the standings. And those teams would most likely be the teams you're about to see advance to the Stanley Cup finals. The bottom line is that great teams win when it counts the most, and the Stanley Cup playoffs are where it counts the most.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 3:09 pm to
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They have a nice little trophy for the team who accrues the most points in those 82 games. And last time I checked, no player, fan, or coach in the NHL would want it over the Stanley Cup. And you should at least be consistent in your argument. If we're going by the 82 regular season games, then don't claim that the Blackhawks were the best team when they clearly were not. The Caps were the best team by far in the regular season and the Sharks had more points than the Hawks as well. Your argument can then be reduced to this: whoever I happen to like and say is the best team in a given year, is indeed the best team regardless of if they win the President's or the Stanley Cup. And I'd argue that if the rules were changed to strictly reflect an 82 game season (with no playoffs and most points in that season wins), then you'd see different teams at the top of the standings. And those teams would most likely be the teams you're about to see advance to the Stanley Cup finals. The bottom line is that great teams win when it counts the most, and the Stanley Cup playoffs are where it counts the most.


Good argument. This reflects my opinion of the San Antonio Spurs. They play for the postseason, not some silly division title. Older teams will do this to save legs.

Also, the way hockey is scored, one great game by a goaltender can win you some things. One lucky break in OT can give an underdog a win. In basketball or football, you need more than one break to win.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:17 pm to
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And you should at least be consistent in your argument. If we're going by the 82 regular season games, then don't claim that the Blackhawks were the best team when they clearly were not.
Actually, the Hawks probably performed better than the Caps despite a slightly worse record given the extreme difference in conference strength. The East sucks while the West is loaded. It's like having a better record in the Big East versus the SEC in football.

I'm in no way saying the Stanley Cup does not matter more. It clearly does. But, like all playoffs, they are inherently unfair. It's the unfair that makes them awesome.

I am consistent in that I don't believe there is some mythical "playoff quality" that suddenly makes you good. Some teams just get hot, even when they aren't that great (SEE Ducks, Anaheim or Lightning, Tampa or Hurricanes, Carolina). Does this invalidate their titles? Of course not. But the best team doesn't always win. Life is unfair.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:24 pm to
Baloo; what happened last night was fricked but it was fair, Montreal won twice in Washington and once in Montreal to come back from being down 3-1 in a best of 7. I am not happy about this but at the end of the day you give credit where it is due...and assign blame dispassionatly as possible. There is something wrong in Washington and it's down to the General Manager to figure out what that is, only this time I suggest he start by looking at videotape of not only this series but what went wrong last year too...
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:39 pm to
The Caps egregiously outplayed the Habs. It wasn't even close for most of the time. The better team lost. This in no way means I think the Habs didn't deserve to win: they scored more goals and that's the measure. Halak absolutely stole this series with play that bordered on the best I have ever seen. He stopped 131 of 134 shots over three games. Just think about that.

So, if you're the Caps and you think, "what do we do going forward?" you don't overreact and say this team sucks and can't win in the playoffs. You probably fire the coach for not making adjustments and you start looking for a place to ship Semin, but you do not take the lesson "this team, as currenly constructed, cannot win in the postseason." Becuase that is absolutely, 100% the wrong lesson. It took a historic goalie performance to beat you. Not really good, not even great, historic. Short term, that sucks. But from an institutional standpoint, the team is fine. You have to make some reactive changes, but you also can't tear the thing down in a childish fit.

In 1982 and 1983, the Oilers scored over 400 goals. No one was scoring like that, and the Oilers lost in consecutive years in the postseason in devastating losses, one to the lowly Kings, the worst team in the playoffs (they even allowed 10 goals in one of their losses. Ten). People said you can't win in the postseason playing like that.

they would score over 400 goals in the next three seasons, and even score MORE goals in 1985 en route to four straight Stanley Cups. It also ushere din an era of exciting, attacking hockey all over the league. It wasn't just good for Edmonton, it was good for the game.

The Caps should continue to buck convention. Add MORE scoring. The game is moving that way, stay ahead of the curve.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:44 pm to
Baloo How many shots did Montreal block in this series? How many did they deflect? They are obviously a smaller team...with more heart I dare say.
Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:49 pm to
The reason they blocked so many shots is because Washington TOOK so many. Game 6, especially, was a shooting gallery. But even that misses the point...

... encouraging a style of play which was 1 forward and 4 defenseman (as the Habs used their wingers) is bad for hockey. It's a cynical style of play, and one that horribly overmatched teams use to beat more skilled teams. They clog the ice and rely on the off chance of their goalie getting really really hot in the hope of winning 2-1. It's great if you win, but it is a brutal style of hockey to watch. Trust me, I'm a Flames fan. I watch it 82 games a year and it sucks.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:54 pm to
I'm glad you guys talked me out of being a Caps fan.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 5:02 pm to
It's a lifetime of pain. Two words: Easter Marathon. Can I get a witness?
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28098 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 5:18 pm to
You know when I knew it was over? I commented on it last night it was when the Caps were deep in the Habs zone and took a shot(from the point) 3 caps surrounded a lone Canadian player, they were in a better position to go into the end boards and come up with the puck, instead the Hab player retrieves the puck and though the three players were withing 3 to 5 feet of him they backed off, it was the weirdest thing I have ever seen, it was like Moses parting the red sea...
One other thing Baloo, the Habs didnt clog up the neutral zone ala the Devils and Minny; the caps never had a problem gaining the zone, their problem was no one wanted to retrieve the puck after the inital shot...
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 5:42 pm to
I didn'tsay they clogged the neutral zone a la the Devils, they packed in thier own defensive end entirely. They had a one man forecheck. They conceded 2/3 of the ice, packed in the zone, and just removed all space in their own end. They played a style even more offensively challenged and antithetical to actual skill than the 1990's Devils, which is pretty near impossible.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 5:59 pm to
For a while I thought I cursed the blackhawks with my fanhood but they pulled it out.
Posted by WreckinRams05
Houston, Texas
Member since Dec 2005
6394 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 6:23 pm to
what time do the games start at? guide on the television says its on but put it on and whacked out sports is playing
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28098 posts
Posted on 4/29/10 at 6:24 pm to
and yet they cost me 50 bucks and maybe Bruce B. his job...the whole situation reminds me of when Jagr was a Capital....maybe its Ted I don't know...
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