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Posted on 4/30/10 at 9:04 am to
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 9:04 am to
I'm not. Pens in 6! Malkin and Crosby will not be making the same mistake as Ovie and Semin.... Hey Baloo I saw a dvd box set of the Washington Capitals 10 best games at Walmarks this morning...It's got a small dent in the tin now....
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Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 9:17 am to
The good teams are moving away from the trap (also because refs have actually enforced the rules... the trap only works when you don't call interference). Most of the top teams now play a more attacking brand of hockey to take take advantage of the more liberal rules (two line passes are allowed, delayed offsides, restricted goalie pads).

The less talented teams just pack the defensive end and rely on a hot goalie. It's a lot like the trap, but you can't stop skaters from crossing the blueline. But they abandon the forecheck mostly, pack the zone and try and score on turnovers.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 9:19 am to
The cycle game has become paramount, it only works when you are prepared to retrieve the puck down low....
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:17 am to
What is the rule regarding the nuetral zone trap, and when exactly do they call interference.

I remember the Devils would basically line up four-wide in the zone, send one guy to forecheck and force to either side...and it was game over.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:25 am to
The rule for interference is that you cannot impede the progress of a player without the puck. Now, this has always been liberally interpreted to allow players to "finish their check" and the general jostling that is just part of the game.

But the Devils, and trapping teams in general, completely abused this rule. Essentially, they would stand a player up at the blueline. They would put their defense right in front of the blueline and challenge the puck, which is totally within the rules. But then teams logically reacted by dumping the puck in the zone. The Devils responded by continuing to hold up the skater who now didn't have the puck (and the players usually chasing the dumped puck).

Theoretically, the neutral zone trap doesn't require interference, but in practice, it did. Otherwise, it would be easy to dump and chase behind the defenders all up at the blueline.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:35 am to
There is no "rule" persay, about 5-6 years ago they started to really enforce the exsisting rules with regard to holding/holding the stick and especially interference, there was also IMHO a directive sent to the zebras that they were to call everything the same ;1st2nd and 3rd periods and if they didnt they would be passed over for playoff assignments etc. Puck possession hockey that is free from the clutch and grab allowed teams to defeat the NZtrap and Left Wing Lock... LINK
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:43 am to
The only reason I ask is that my knowledge of hockey strategy is pretty limited...so I am unfamiliar on "styles" of play. I can watch a game, know the rules well enough, know players...I am not ignorant to the game. I know the terminology and whatnot. But beyond that, I don't really know many tactics aside from dump and chase, screening the goalie to an extent, trying to score on rebounds, etc.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:43 am to
I do think the left wing lock is fundamentally different, as it has often be used as a way to create offense. I think the aggresive forecheck is key, as well as the fact the Red Wings used it as a way to let their center and right wing play almost without defensive responsibility. In the wrong hands, the lock can be pretty oppressive hockey, but in the hands of a creative mind, the lock isn't just a defensive style. It's essentially a zone defense requiring the winger to play like a third defenseman.

I mean, thats way oversimplified obviously. But I do think of lock teams differently than trap teams.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:46 am to
Thats ok I don't mind explaining... I still consider it miraculous people follow hockey in Texas/Louisiana/Florida plus the more people that are informed about Gary Bettman being Satan the better...
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 10:51 am to
To help you out, Texas, and feel free to stop me if I lose you, I’ll try and break down each in a simple way.

The neutral zone trap is a style of defense in which your team “defends the blueline” in order to make it difficult to enter the zone. The offsides rule states the puck must enter the zone first, so challenging the puckhandler before he enters the zone causes everyone else to wait and lose momentum.

The left wing lock is a defensive system in which the defensive zone is divided into three vertical zones and the left winger is responsible for one of those zones. The right winger and center forecheck aggressively, attacking the puck all over the ice, knowing they have the defensive wall behind them.

I think the key difference is the forecheck. The neutral zone trap allows for forechecking, but the left wing lock demands it. And good forechecking (essentially, checking someone on your offensive end) is exciting and creates offense.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:04 am to
Terry Crisp anyone? Baloo who you going for tonight?
I am assuming Pens inspite of the fact my boy Sid's obviously going to best Ovie again this playoffs...
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:06 am to
I'm rooting against what I call cynical hockey. I'm anti Habs and Bruins. I can hold my nose and root for the Pens given they have Geurin and Malkin.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:07 am to
Mighty big'a yah.... Plus I supported your goddamned team its the least you could do...true it was against our biiggest rivals but you know me and Ovie we dont get along...
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:12 am to
Yeah, I hate Crosby but love Malkin. And I've been saying it all thread... I want attacking hockey to be rewarded. It's more fun to watch. The Pens are a rival, but they aren't too philosophically different than the Caps. I want to watch a team play forward instead of playing on their heels.

The Bruins are pretty much pure evil, though. I hope they get swept. It's like they aren't even trying to score.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:15 am to
quote:

The Bruins are pretty much pure evil, though. I hope they get swept. It's like they aren't even trying to score.
Its true. So funny....Its by tying we win...Buddhist philosophy...or perhaps an own goal?
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:25 am to
Though to be perfectly honest, I'm a free agent fan right now. I have a long post in my head ripping apart the Flames and why I can't root for them, but it does boil down to two things:
1) The concept of attacking hockey - I cannot support a team that is so steadfastly AGAINST this new era. I'm morally opposed to my team's organizational philosophy.
2) Their front office is really really stupid and has not made a good move in the past year and half other than cutting Todd Bertuzzi. But I really want to detail how stupid.

That said, I find myself really, really wanting the Sharks to finally win. I like a lot of their players (Setoguchi might be the most underrated players in the NHL) and they have truly suffered. And they are the poster children for attacking hockey for years. Unfortunately, they keeep losing to Detroit who, let's face it, has simply been a better team.

I think the Hawks are the best team and I love their style of play anchored by the best blueliner on earth, and Lord knows their fans have been through hell, but I have a soft spot for the Sharks.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:33 am to
That clears it up a bit. Thanks!
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:43 am to
LINK I know there's an answer...wel we all know how i feel about the remaining teams...I DISLIKE The Sharks because of their impotence I was amazed to see Heatley score last night considering how little he contributes (my Canadian Semin-enormously talented floating SOB) I like after my Leafs Chicago and Vancouver (Vancouver has better goaltending and more depth at defence though the best defenceman in that series is playing for Chicago) I dislike Montreal. I like...almost love the Pens for obvious reasons and expect them to play for the Stanley Cup this year....I think about the pressure thats been on Crosby since he was 12-13 and I am amazed at how he has responded...
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 3:01 pm to
Can't wait for this series to get underway tonight...Geaux Pens!
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 6:23 pm to
1-0 Montreal Pitt on PP...
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