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NCAA should end rule requiring some athletes who declare for draft to lose eligibility
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:34 pm
The NCAA should rescind the rule requiring basketball & football players with eligibility left who declare for the draft to lose their eligibility. Why is a baseball player any different? They don't even have to declare and if drafted or not have the option of returning. Once they reach draft eligible status they can be selected at the whim of a major league team.
A basketball player like Darrius Days has to make the decision with no options if he chooses to declare and is not drafted or does not like his draft position. The same applies for a football player like Racy McMath who was not assured of being drafted . ( This is not a discussion of Days or McMath's talents or skill sets relative to the professional league, only about the NCAA rules so please respond to the topic).
It would seem with the new name, image , likeness rules and the wide open transfer portal with immediate eligibility this would be a logical next step in player friendly rules changes. Players like Days are at an extreme disadvantage when trying to decide whether another season might improve their draft stock and it also can hamper a coach in trying to build his roster. Giving them the same post draft options as baseball players seems equitable and equity is a major goal these days, isn't it?
A basketball player like Darrius Days has to make the decision with no options if he chooses to declare and is not drafted or does not like his draft position. The same applies for a football player like Racy McMath who was not assured of being drafted . ( This is not a discussion of Days or McMath's talents or skill sets relative to the professional league, only about the NCAA rules so please respond to the topic).
It would seem with the new name, image , likeness rules and the wide open transfer portal with immediate eligibility this would be a logical next step in player friendly rules changes. Players like Days are at an extreme disadvantage when trying to decide whether another season might improve their draft stock and it also can hamper a coach in trying to build his roster. Giving them the same post draft options as baseball players seems equitable and equity is a major goal these days, isn't it?
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 5:07 pm
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:37 pm to tigersbb
I mean you can declare and come back in basketball. Baseball you can get drafted and come back. Makes sense to do it in football.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:38 pm to tigersbb
As long as you don’t sign with an agent it should be allowed...
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:42 pm to tigersbb
You should lose eligibility if you declare for that specific sport.
Otherwise, tough shite and don’t declare
Otherwise, tough shite and don’t declare
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:45 pm to tigersbb
they did that for basketball, and there seems to be a pathway for football players now as well. the ncaa granted an exception to some punter at like arizona state or somewhere last year after he declared and i think even signed with an agent.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:58 pm to KingBeingking
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I mean you can declare and come back in basketball
Yes, but they must rescind their declaration prior tot he draft. I believe today is the deadline for basketball players.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:10 pm to tigre704
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they did that for basketball
Not really. Basketball you have to make your final decision before the draft.
They should definitely allow guys to come back after the draft in all sports. It would be good for the players and college athletics. The NBA and NFL won't like it though. Maybe a compromise would be players drafted in slots where they're guaranteed x amount have to go pro, where players undrafted and drafted in later rounds have the option to return. This would prevent situations where guys tell certain teams not draft them or they'll go back to school. I could see a top pick telling the Lions, or some other crappy organization, if you draft me, I'm going back to school.
I'm pretty sure everyone drafted in the first round of the NBA draft gets a guaranteed contract and for the NFL the salaries are slotted, so you could say anyone drafted in the first 3 rounds can't come back.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:11 pm to tigersbb
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Yes, but they must rescind their declaration prior tot he draft. I believe today is the deadline for basketball players.
That’s not completely true anymore
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:12 pm to KingBeingking
In baseball, if you don’t like the deal in front of you, you can go to school. In football and basketball, once you pass the declare or not deadline, your locked In and if you don’t get drafted or go from 1st round to 5th round you can’t go back to school for another draft. Your stuck. In baseball you have 3 times, 2 with all the leverage. Hs and after your junior year in most cases.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:15 pm to whitefoot
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I'm pretty sure everyone drafted in the first round of the NBA draft gets a guaranteed contract and for the NFL the salaries are slotted, so you could say anyone drafted in the first 3 rounds can't come back.
Good idea.
Or a player can put in a bid. If I don't get drafted by _____ I go back to school.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:44 pm to tigersbb
For football, they would have to relax the 85 scholarship limit. Players declare for the draft in January, final signing period for recruits in February, so coaches have a rough idea of how many recruits they can sign. If players are allowed to return after the April draft, the 85 scholarship limit would likely be exceeded, like this covid exemption this year.
I doubt the NCAA would, or could, force schools to take back kids who declare for the draft and then elect to return to school. When a player enters the transfer portal, it appears that most schools pull the scholarship, and that would probably be the same for guys who go undrafted.
I doubt the NCAA would, or could, force schools to take back kids who declare for the draft and then elect to return to school. When a player enters the transfer portal, it appears that most schools pull the scholarship, and that would probably be the same for guys who go undrafted.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:45 pm to tigersbb
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The NCAA should rescind the rule requiring basketball & football players with eligibility left who declare for the draft to lose their eligibility. Why is a baseball player any different? They don't even have to declare and if drafted or not have the option of returning. Once they reach draft eligible status they can be selected at the whim of a major league team.
The problem is not with the NCAA. The issue is largely in the court of the particular sport you are addressing.
Football has 7 rounds of draft and then it is over. You cant waste your draft pick on a player that is going to renege on the pick. Also it is highly unpopular all around to see kids <20 yrs old playing against grown arse men who can physically obliterate them for life.
Basketball Does what it wants except they honor the one year removed from HS. They already have more players in the draft than is needed.
Baseball has like 35-40 rounds in its draft. They have some sort of deal with NCAA to lay off kids for a couple yrs but still draft straight out of HS.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:58 pm to tigersbb
Kids in all sports should be able to declare, not sign with an agent, remain in good academic standing, and make a choice to return within the deadlines imposed by the university registration calendar. Is this really not the case?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:48 pm to KingBeingking
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I mean you can declare and come back in basketball. Baseball you can get drafted and come back. Makes sense to do it in football.
Scholarship limits makes this almost impossible for colleges.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:10 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:I think they cut that down to 20
Baseball has like 35-40 rounds in its draft
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:32 pm to GetmorewithLes
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he problem is not with the NCAA. The issue is largely in the court of the particular sport you are addressing
Some of you are way overthinking this. It doesn't matter what the NFL thinks of this. The NCAA can make their own rules independently of the NFL. More likely any draftee who elects to return would be a late round selection anyway.
The NBA decision to not draft players until one year after high school was their decision and was not made in conjunction with the NCAA.
MLB agreed to draft players out of high school and not sign them once they were enrolled in college until after their junior season or two seasons if JUCO.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:40 pm to BillF
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or football, they would have to relax the 85 scholarship limit. Players declare for the draft in January, final signing period for recruits in February, so coaches have a rough idea of how many recruits they can sign. If players are allowed to return after the April draft, the 85 scholarship limit would likely be exceeded, like this covid exemption this year.
I doubt the NCAA would, or could, force schools to take back kids who declare for the draft and then elect to return to school
This would remain a coach's decision. If there is a scholarship spot open the coach decides whether to allow the player to return on that scholarship. There is generally always some movement in football during the summer and a coach can always evaluate the roster to decide who remains on scholarship. The player can also pay his own way for one semester if he wants another season to try to improve his stock.
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