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re: NBA question - who was considered the GOAT before Jordan?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:07 pm to Baloo
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:07 pm to Baloo
we can go back and look at shaq's stats in his prime and marvel at how idiotic the writers who choose MVP are
the biggest slap in the face was all the finals mvp he got for being fricking mind-blowing
the biggest slap in the face was all the finals mvp he got for being fricking mind-blowing
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:08 pm to Baloo
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The fact Nash has two MVP's and Shaq only one makes me think less of the NBA MVP award. It's like a center or power forward has to raise someone from the dead to be named MVP.
Yeah. I was glad Hakeem Olajuwon won it in 1994. He was so dominant then on both sides of the ball. I know Shaq was young then but he took Shaq to school in the NBA finals.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:09 pm to Baloo
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Jordan is essentially a Wilt who won titles.
Except that they were completely different players in every way imaginable. Otherwise, yes.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
And what doesn't show up on the stat sheets is how he got the opposing team's front court in foul trouble almost every game. If he would have been an 80% or above career FT shooter, he might be considered a top 5 player of all time.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:12 pm to TxTiger82
I mean that they were both statistically dominat players. But since Jordan also won a bunch of titles, people can't hide behind the argument they use with Wilt, "he didn't win anything" (which ignores that he won two titles).
Those two guys were both incredibly dominant. They towered over the league.
Dr. J is still the most excting player ever. I worship that guy.
Those two guys were both incredibly dominant. They towered over the league.
Dr. J is still the most excting player ever. I worship that guy.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:12 pm to Baloo
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The fact Nash has two MVP's and Shaq only one makes me think less of the NBA MVP award. It's like a center or power forward has to raise someone from the dead to be named MVP.
I don't even consider the MVP to be that important or telling because of how loosely the term "valuable" is used. Not only did Shaq did shafted with a mere single MVP award, but how does Kobe also only have one. (I hope that I did not just pour gasoline in the fire).
I love Steve Nash and think that he is so much fun to watch, but I just find it bizarre that he has as many MVP awards as the one of the most dominant duos combined.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
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he should have won the MVP every year he played in the 90's
No. He wasn't even the best center in the league in his early career...not until after Hakeem, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing retired or got too old.
Shaq started really dominating with the Lakers, circa 1997 (ish). I think that is when he started averaging almost 30 ppg.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:14 pm to Powerman
if shaq hit 80% of his FTs he'd be the best player ever, imho
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:14 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I love Steve Nash and think that he is so much fun to watch, but I just find it bizarre that he has as many MVP awards as the one of the most dominant duos combined.
I suppose part of the problem might be that they splitted votes since they were on the same team...
And by the time Shaq left L.A. was when he started to decline a bit in production. Although he did win a title with the heat so that has to mean something.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:15 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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but how does Kobe also only have one
shaq and kobe kind of took each other's mvp votes
then kobe was in the lebron/nash mvp era
kobe is a great player, but he just had bad timing in terms of being the best player in the NBA
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:16 pm to TxTiger82
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No. He wasn't even the best center in the league in his early career.
Dude read my post I said MJ, as in Michael Jordan.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:16 pm to Powerman
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I know Shaq was young then but he took Shaq to school in the NBA finals.
It was actually a pretty even battle. I think Shaq averaged 28 ppg and Hakeem 27 ppg. But Shaq couldn't rattle Hakeem like he rattled everybody else.
Hakeem had WAY more help and a much better team. The Magic was the Shaq-Penny show. Houston had Clyde, Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, etc.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:16 pm to TxTiger82
let us not forget nick anderson's contribution to that finals
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:17 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Dude read my post, I said MJ, as in Michael Jordan.
My bad.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if shaq hit 80% of his FTs he'd be the best player ever, imho
And if My aunt had balls she would be my uncle.Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:18 pm to TxTiger82
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My bad
No biggie. Shaq should have at least won it all 3 years that the lakers won the title.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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shaq and kobe kind of took each other's mvp votes
I agree and Kobe also suffered from having his best individual years on weak teams. I know it is a silly argument, but it just seems like both Shaq and Kobe are deserving of more individual accolades.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:19 pm to TxTiger82
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Hakeem had WAY more help and a much better team.
No way. Orlando was favored going into the series. Shaq had Horace Grant, who complemented him perfectly at PF and was much better than Chucky Brown. Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were excellent three point shooters who could score in bunches in a hurry.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:20 pm to mattz1122
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o way. Orlando was favored going into the series. Shaq had Horace Grant, who complemented him perfectly at PF and was much better than Chucky Brown. Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were excellent three point shooters who could score in bunches in a hurry.
Yep and of course Hardaway who at the time may have been the best point guard in the league. That team was loaded
Posted on 4/17/11 at 12:21 pm to mattz1122
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Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were excellent three point shooters who could score in bunches in a hurry.
and nick anderson fricked the magic
fricked them hard
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