re: NBA Offseason Trade & FA thread: KD To Ws, Wade to Bulls

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quote:Marc J. Spears Marc J. Spears – Verified account ?@MarcJSpearsESPN The Thunder is shopping big man Serge Ibaka on this draft day, a source said. Woah

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Should have zero problems finding takers. Just a matter of what OKC's asking for.

Would have to imagine Boston will give them a call, but I think the price will be way too steep for any team to get Ibaka

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riza was .02 percentage points above the league average in threes. And that's top five to you boom? You still want to keep doing this dumb dance you always do?

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that don't mean shite.

Aminu, Covington, Crowder, etc are also knows as 3 and D SFs who shoot even worse from three than Ariza does. Barnes and Carroll are slightly better. If you don't know what the term 3 and D means don't try to tell me who is or isn't a 3 and D'er bro.

What sense does it make to move Ibaka when you're trying to re-sign KD?

Yea Ibaka, Biyombo, and Thon Maker definitely shared a legal beer a decade ago

Yeah Ibaka is young and in his prime.

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Yea Ibaka, Biyombo, and Thon Maker definitely shared a legal beer a decade ago

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Not trying to get into it, but isn't it understood that you're omitting better, more rounded players when you use the term "3 &D" ?

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Yes, to an extent. But Boom was making the argument that Ariza was a top 5 3 and D player. Which is semantics nonsense.

3 and D is a skillset teams seek for SG and SF as almost a bare minimum. A skillset you want your 2 or 3 to have in order to guard the superstars that litter that position.

When you are ranking who are the best at those skills you don't just ommit arbitrarily players that have those skills to fit an arbitrary ranking to prop up a player on your team. Thats not how analysis works. Or if it is how you are making it, you are doing it wrong.

Kawhi was a 3 and D guy for a while, then all of the sudden when he progresses we take him out of that category?? He still plays D and shoots threes.

Same with Draymond Green.

Ariza was the opposite story, a guy that was given the chance to be a centerpiece player that failed at it and was relegated to a role player. So now Boom wants to save face and relegate him a top 5 player in some arbitrary metric he has concocted in his mind.

Typical Boom nonsense. Ariza is a middle of the pack role player SF that plays solid defense and is a streaky and inconsistent three point shooter. On the back side of his career.

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A 3 and D SF is by definition a role playing SF, not a max or superstar. Leonard isn't a role player, Durant isn't a role player. NO ONE is comparing Ariza to max players we are comparing him to the other role playing SFs that do more or less what he does. That people will argue this is mindbottling.

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As you describe it a 3 and D is merely a guy that has failed to be more then just a 2 skill player.

Kawhi was a 3 and D player and he progressed. Draymond Green was a 3 and D player and he progressed.

You are right, guys like Lebron, George, Kawhi, Green, Durant are not just 3 and D players, they are multidimensional players that also have 3 and D skillsets. Most at a higher level in both categories then Ariza.

So its an empty, arbitrary, silly ranking you concocted to avoid an actual meaningful analysis of the trade and the player in comparison to his peers. But you are a troll with mediocre, rose colored basketball knowledge so its not that surprising.