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re: NASCAR driver quits after Confederate flag ban: 'All you are doing is f—ing one group'
Posted on 6/11/20 at 1:59 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 6/11/20 at 1:59 pm to Harry Caray
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They claim pride in heritage, a heritage and society that would not have existed and thrived without slave labor.
Which is something that can be said about most civilizations prior to Western societies circa early 19th century.
Was there nothing noble about Ancient Greece or Rome because they had slavery?
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:13 pm to zuluboudreaux
quote:What in his answer could've possibly led you to this stupid arse conclusion?
Evidently the American flag is not about unity.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:15 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:I'm pretty comfortable saying any group of people that enslaved another group of people were fricked up and wrong to do so, yeah.
Was there nothing noble about Ancient Greece or Rome because they had slavery?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:18 pm to BowDownToLSU
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I don't believe in kneeling during Anthem nor taken ppl right to fly whatever flag they love.
Wonder what he would think if someone carried an ISIS flag at the races
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:20 pm to Harry Caray
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I'm pretty comfortable saying any group of people that enslaved another group of people were fricked up and wrong to do so, yeah.
Weird. It's amazing that with as much knowledge as we have at our fingertips these days, opinions like yours can be held. Swimming in a sea of knowledge, but dying of thirst.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
I teach ancient history. There are a lot of words to describe the Greeks and Romans, but ‘noble’ isn’t one of them.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:25 pm to TN Bhoy
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There are a lot of words to describe the Greeks and Romans, but ‘noble’ isn’t one of them.
Why not?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:27 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Was there nothing noble about Ancient Greece or Rome because they had slavery?
Of course there are, you are talking about civilizations/states that lasted centuries and contributed much culturally to the world.
Can the same be said for a failed state that lasted for 4 years, whose express purpose for existing was the continuation of a society and economy built on African chattel slavery? There’s not a lot to be redeemed with the CSA. They are an ugly, bloody appendage to the American story.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:27 pm to Mo Jeaux
Widespread murder of political opponents, genocide, child prostitution, temple prostitution, legal rape, and I could go on...
We’re there noble people among the Greeks and Romans? Yes. Were their civilizations noble? Absolutely not.
We’re there noble people among the Greeks and Romans? Yes. Were their civilizations noble? Absolutely not.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:30 pm to TN Bhoy
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Widespread murder of political opponents, genocide, child prostitution, temple prostitution, legal rape, and I could go on...
Wait, aren't you a practicing Catholic? 
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:44 pm to ell_13
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Dude kinda sucks at racing and sounds like an idiot.
It’s NOT ok to miss the point BLM is trying to make, but it’s ok to miss his and shame him?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:47 pm to BowDownToLSU
Conservatives are not good at this.
I think this day and age people know enough about the rebel flag to know that it's dumb to fly it, but leaving doesn't hurt NASCAR at all unless fans are going to miss him.
what you are supposed to do is just show up to the next race with whatever is banned and martyr yourself.
I think this day and age people know enough about the rebel flag to know that it's dumb to fly it, but leaving doesn't hurt NASCAR at all unless fans are going to miss him.
what you are supposed to do is just show up to the next race with whatever is banned and martyr yourself.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:48 pm to BowDownToLSU
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:49 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Weird. It's amazing that with as much knowledge as we have at our fingertips these days, opinions like yours can be held. Swimming in a sea of knowledge, but dying of thirst.
what in the hell. Yeah how could I possibly hold the opinion that enslaving people is fricked up and wrong. I'm the idiot here.Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:54 pm to Harry Caray
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Yeah how could I possibly hold the opinion that enslaving people is fricked up and wrong.
That wasn't the opinion that I was ridiculing.
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I'm the idiot here.
I guess so?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:54 pm to zuluboudreaux
Bubba summed that up pretty nicely. I can respect that.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:59 pm to QJenk
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Everyone says NASCAR can ban the Confederate Flags from their races, but can they? Sure NASCAR can ban it on tracks they own, but what about non-NASCAR tracks? Tracks like Indy, Pocono, Kentucky, Charlotte, Dover, Atlanta, Bristol, Vegas, Texas and Sonoma. That's 16 out of the 36 races on the NASCAR schedule.
I think I could be wrong.... but I believe SMI and ISC merged. Indy, Pocono, and Dover (who owns Nashville) are independently owned.
As for this Bubba pretty much nailed it.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:01 pm to MikeHoncho47
So I don't follow NASCAR and have no idea who this guy is. Reading about him, it's kind of funny that the only thing of any importance he's done in his career is quitting over the Confederate flag.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:01 pm to MikeHoncho47
I’m no expert in how racing works but Pretty sure those tracks are well incentivized to do whatever nascar wants more so than vice versa
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:17 pm to wildtigercat93
Outside of Indianapolis, the non NASCAR owned tracks don’t have a lot of leverage (beyond their enforcing their current contract).
Like what would Dover be if it lost its Cup Series date?
Like what would Dover be if it lost its Cup Series date?
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