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Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I can't believe how quickly this has turned. I figured people would be shitting on you all year after a natty, but you always said the problem with the CEO model is it's dependent on good coordinators and vulnerable when they leave. I would probably still give O a break given the weird nature of the season, but if there is that much validity to transfer rumors and recruiting is a mess, I guess I can understand cutting bait.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
I don’t even wanna speak this into existence but if in teh coming days a kid whose name rhymes with Page Bryan flips to forest gump’s alma mater shite could get nuclear
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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ETA: the fact that we have former players, many of whom had their shite pushed in by Bama their entire careers and won 0 natties, calling out a team that juts went undefeated and won the title, doesn't help
Let’s be real, there is like 3 players on the team that were contributing to the title
Very much an example of the mike leach “y’all didn’t beat Texas, Michael Crabtree beat Texas”
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:04 am to Bunk Moreland
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I would probably still give O a break given the weird nature of the season, but if there is that much validity to transfer rumors and recruiting is a mess, I guess I can understand cutting bait.
i don't think we can cut bait with him without a "for cause" justification via Title 9 issues. also, it's not a good time to fire/hire coaches
if we can't get out of his deal for cause, then he's here for 2021, and if we have the attrition we're looking at, HOLY shite we will be bad
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:06 am to TigerFanatic99
I haven’t seen that this far but ok
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:07 am to Dire Wolf
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Let’s be real, there is like 3 players on the team that were contributing to the title
Very much an example of the mike leach “y’all didn’t beat Texas, Michael Crabtree beat Texas”
i get it, but there are some meta/philosophy issues at play
they're doing the "miles would have lost it if we weren't super tough guys" aw shucks routine, and lots of posters want that mentality...but that didn't win us the title under Les and those players promoting that mentality didn't win us the title
the irony is that they were playing in the NFLSU days, too, but they won't call out a contemporary like Patrick Peterson
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
It doesn’t help that ND is winning big games the way les wanted
The difference is les never had the line talent to win like that.
The difference is les never had the line talent to win like that.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Miles practiced a lot harder, O goes with shorter practices, good on good, like an nfl team. That is the culture o has built here. He doesn’t want long practices. Guys wear down. This team could probably use the additional time, but last season it was an iron sharpens iron practice mentality and integral to the title run.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:14 am to Dire Wolf
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The difference is les never had the line talent to win like that.
and the irony is this was the "why we need O" excuse for 2017-2018 and now what is our biggest issue? line talent
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:15 am to Boomshockalocka
They only get 20 hours a week. Just how short are his practices?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:16 am to Boomshockalocka
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but last season it was an iron sharpens iron practice mentality and integral to the title run.
b/c of this guy
not this guy
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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and the irony is this was the "why we need O" excuse for 2017-2018 and now what is our biggest issue? line talent
Losing shelvin kinda killed but the d line has improved a bit
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:17 am to VABuckeye
About 90 minutes from what I heard
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:17 am to Dire Wolf
our edge has major issues (and is a crater if BJ leaves)
but our OL?
woof
but our OL?
woof
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:19 am to Bunk Moreland
I've been totally consistent in my stance on Ed O from when he was hired, to last year, to now.
The guy is a bum. He's a good recruiter but his tendencies never change: he likes to hire his buddies and isn't an Xs and Os guy.
He "went against his type" and hired Canada which was a disaster.
He then brings in his buddy Ensminger who hadn't been a coordinator in like 30 years, and he stinks. He goes against his instincts and hires Brady who transforms the offense, and leaves after one year. This makes O shy to hire another young up and comer and risk the leaving and taking too much credit. So he hires another old bum in Linehan, with predictable results.
He doesn't hire Aranda, someone else did. He then runs Aranda off because Aranda is not his type of guy, and he hires his type of guy. An old bum in Bo Pelini.
And they stink.
Ed O is a terrible coach and terrible and picking coordinators which is what he relies on to win.
The guy is a bum. He's a good recruiter but his tendencies never change: he likes to hire his buddies and isn't an Xs and Os guy.
He "went against his type" and hired Canada which was a disaster.
He then brings in his buddy Ensminger who hadn't been a coordinator in like 30 years, and he stinks. He goes against his instincts and hires Brady who transforms the offense, and leaves after one year. This makes O shy to hire another young up and comer and risk the leaving and taking too much credit. So he hires another old bum in Linehan, with predictable results.
He doesn't hire Aranda, someone else did. He then runs Aranda off because Aranda is not his type of guy, and he hires his type of guy. An old bum in Bo Pelini.
And they stink.
Ed O is a terrible coach and terrible and picking coordinators which is what he relies on to win.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:21 am to Fun Bunch
How does he go against his instincts when he hires Brady, who was recommended by ensminger?
But when he hires Pellini, who was recommended by the entire ops building, that is going with his instincts?
The mental gymnastics you people play to give him blame for the bad hires, and luck for the good ones, makes it impossible to take anything you say serious.
But when he hires Pellini, who was recommended by the entire ops building, that is going with his instincts?
The mental gymnastics you people play to give him blame for the bad hires, and luck for the good ones, makes it impossible to take anything you say serious.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:23 am to Fun Bunch
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I've been totally consistent in my stance on Ed O from when he was hired, to last year, to now.
yeah i tried to bump pimp's callout thread and it was anchored. i made a new one but didn't get traction
just because you have short term success doesn't mean your decision was correct. outlier scenarios happen. 2019 was that
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He doesn't hire Aranda, someone else did.
i don't even think it's this. Aranda was his boss and the deal was that O didn't get to tell Aranda what to do
that doesn't work with Dunning-Kruger Orgeron
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:24 am to Boomshockalocka
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How does he go against his instincts when he hires Brady
Ed's instincts are to hire old coaches that he has worked with before. He has done it time and time and time and time again.
He had no experience with Brady and took a chance, hiring to a passing game coordinator position, which really isn't THAT high of a position. But Brady is just that fricking good he essentially took over the offense.
Brady leaves after one year, gets A LOT of credit for LSU's success last year...and what does Ed do?
Hire an old washed up bum that he is familiar with. His pattern.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:27 am to Boomshockalocka
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How does he go against his instincts when he hires Brady, who was recommended by ensminger?
b/c his instincts (as in original feeling) was to recreate the USC pro-style offense of the mid-00s
so he gave in and went with a more modern, spread-based offense, which went against his instincs
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But when he hires Pellini, who was recommended by the entire ops building, that is going with his instincts?
older guy who isn't a threat to him. perfect O coordinator. how is that outside of his instincts?
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and luck for the good ones
he's made one good hire: Brady
Brady was recommended by E
Busch is the only tolerable hire under O and that was all Aranda. again, why O resented Aranda being smarter and a better coach (as in on-field) and having power that O couldn't reign in (b/c that was part of the deal when he was hired)
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