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re: Moving screens and traveling in NBA

Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:00 am to
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:00 am to
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The NBA calls games in a way that favors the offense...
I disagree. Watch games from the 1960's until the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons teams and you will see a totally different game being played. Defenders are allowed physical contact and hand checking that were not permitted back then.
Posted by PKTiger
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:08 am to
You should look at the rules the NBA put in place around 2004. They completely eliminated hand-checking and changed the way players could defend in the post.

The most outrageous example that they favor the offense is the defensive three second rule. No other form of organized basketball penalizes the defense for being in the paint too long.
Posted by bayou2003
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:11 am to
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That's what I'm talking about. It takes away from the game completely and I can see how it changes the game dramatically. One superstar gets away with it at home, then the opposing star gets treated like a rookie at training camp. Trash


You must not watch much college basketball. STAR players get away with a lot in college basketball. And HOME teams get the good calls. There was a reason Mizzou and Arkansas dominated at home and then sucked on the road.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:16 am to
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:19 am to
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You should look at the rules the NBA put in place around 2004. They completely eliminated hand-checking and changed the way players could defend in the post.

The most outrageous example that they favor the offense is the defensive three second rule. No other form of organized basketball penalizes the defense for being in the paint too long.
Handchecking has always been against the rules. There was no rule change. They just simply decided to enforce the rules that were in place.

The defensive three second rule was instituted to replace the illegal defense rule. The NBA made zone defenses legal, but needed away to counteract players just sitting in front of the rim. Basically, the NBA used to just penalize you for being too far from your man. That seems even more ridiculous than the current rule.

In my opinion, these changes make it harder, at least on the superstars. Playing against these hybrid zones in the NBA today is ridiculously tough. Before all you had to do was beat your man, and you probably had space to the rim. Now beating your man is easy, but there are 3 guys in front of you afterward. You see this in the numbers too. Superstar scoring is down, but their assist numbers are up.
Posted by PKTiger
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:27 am to
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The defensive three second rule was instituted to replace the illegal defense rule. The NBA made zone defenses legal, but needed away to counteract players just sitting in front of the rim.

Exactly my point of how it favors the offense.

If you play zone in AAU, high school, college, or internationally, you just sit the big man under the rim to clog up space. The rule is there because the NBA didn't want to give the defense that advantage.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:31 am to
Hand checking has always been against the rules. In 2001 the referees were instructed to call fouls for hand checking. Players can still get away with hand checking, but they cannot do it constantly like they could pre-2001.
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:34 am to
The real traveling is occurring every inbound where the player catches the ball from the inbounder and takes two steps with the ball before his first dribble.
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 9:35 am to
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Exactly my point of how it favors the offense.

Right, but the rule previously was basically the same. You couldn't sit under the rim if you weren't guarding a player. Your point doesn't meet the reality of the league. The NBA has never just allowed someone to sit under the rim.

Edit: I believed your point to be the NBA changed in 2004 to favor offenses more. If your point is the NBA has always favored offenses more, my question would be why don't other levels of basketball?
This post was edited on 5/11/13 at 9:39 am
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 10:07 am to
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If your point is the NBA has always favored offenses more, my question would be why don't other levels of basketball?



they should...

it's hard to watch a HS game bc they call too many travels... i know it's HS kids and not NBA but i didn't come to watch the refs, despite what they may think
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30292 posts
Posted on 5/11/13 at 10:57 am to
Lol @ the idea that only Duncan and Diaw set moving screens. Curry and Thompson have been freed up from some of that stuff too. Also surprised no fouls have been called on the Warriors for the way they relentlessly crash the boards.

This is just the NBA as we know it. Superstars travel, Stern wants offense because ratings from 99-04 sucked, it is what it is.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13838 posts
Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:18 am to
I once watched a game where Vince Carter (Toronto Days) took 5 steps on a fastbreak dunk. They replayed it on Sportscenter in slow mo about 4-5x's. Stuart Scott would repeatedly count out each step in slow mo.
Posted by bayou2003
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 11:38 am to
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If your point is the NBA has always favored offenses more, my question would be why don't other levels of basketball?



they should...


Hell the NFL is worse when it comes to favoring the offense. Defense can't do shite without getting a penalty. Then people wonder why so many records are being broken. Fans love POINTS, OFFENSE, SCORING, etc. NBA is not the only league that favors the offense.
Posted by PKTiger
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 12:09 pm to
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I believed your point to be the NBA changed in 2004 to favor offenses more. If your point is the NBA has always favored offenses more, my question would be why don't other levels of basketball?

Yea, I was saying they always have and just used 2004 as an example.

I do think other levels of basketball should move closer to how the NBA is called. Scheme, chemistry, and athleticism are the most important factors for a good NBA defense IMO. you can win in college just by beating up the other team.
Posted by theronswanson
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 12:19 pm to
Noah is the worst offender of this. He also extends his forearms into the defender, which to me is what needs to get called. Honestly, Noah should be fouling out in the first half of every game if they properly called it.
Posted by PKTiger
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Member since Apr 2013
837 posts
Posted on 5/11/13 at 12:36 pm to
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He also extends his forearms into the defender, which to me is what needs to get called.

Yea, I don't mind if a guy gives a little extra lean into a screen. But it needs to be called when players throw their arms into the screen or take that extra step to catch a guy.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 5/11/13 at 1:53 pm to
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Please....


Exactly
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