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re: More OSU violations to come? Looking possible...

Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:44 pm to
Posted by finallyfastohio
Columbus
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Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:44 pm to
Ppbeastmode where is your proof that the kids good any benefits? Just sayin
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34975 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:46 pm to
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Really? Article says over the last several yrs, up to 50 athletes purchased cars through them.


Correct.

It also says the Dispatch reviewed 24 transactions. They also had car-valuation companies assess the prices of those cars. They found nearly half of those transactions weren't as high as what the companies valued them at. The companies also said these differences could be cause of certain conditions of the cars sold, and never stated how substantial of differences these were.

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So, they bought cars at alleged reduced rates


This really hasn't been proven whatsoever yet. The two former NCAA investigators said it's basically fishy so many purchases happened within such few dealerships.
Posted by PPBeastMode
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:47 pm to
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Ppbeastmode where is your proof that the kids good any benefits? Just sayin

JESUS CHRIST

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It also says the Dispatch reviewed 24 transactions. They also had car-valuation companies assess the prices of those cars. They found nearly half of those transactions weren't as high as what the companies valued them at. The companies also said these differences could be cause of certain conditions of the cars sold, and never stated how substantial of differences these were.

ALL the players decided to get crappy cars
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 8:49 pm
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34975 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:55 pm to
per article

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The values they estimated were higher than the price paid in nearly half of the transactions. However, they said it's difficult to accurately evaluate the sales without seeing the vehicles to assess condition and options.
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 8:57 pm
Posted by finallyfastohio
Columbus
Member since Sep 2010
2327 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 8:57 pm to
I think its fishy I'm just hoping that if that's all the evidence that they can't get in trouble. I really just wanna avoid bowl bans
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34975 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 9:03 pm to
It's fishy, but if Doug Archie thinks no NCAA rules were violated, then I believe him. Especially if these salesman contacted him with all the transaction details before the deal became final. The only thing that worries me is this Kniffin dude seems fishy as frick.
Posted by Kevo302
Bowling Green
Member since Jan 2011
593 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 9:50 pm to
I pray to God they get the Death Penalty.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 10:38 pm to
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I really just wanna avoid bowl bans


Well, I really just want to avoid supporting a dirty program.


Posted by finallyfastohio
Columbus
Member since Sep 2010
2327 posts
Posted on 5/8/11 at 10:47 pm to
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Well, I really just want to avoid supporting a dirty program.


byu would welcome another fan.
Posted by Muahahaha
Ohio
Member since Nov 2005
6982 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:30 am to


For Ohio State.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80559 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:36 am to
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I pray to God they get the Death Penalty.


Thanks for the support.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:39 am to
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Yeah and it is offered to the general public.


You are focusing on the wrong thing here.

The question is if another student with the same credit profile, income (nil) etc... walked onto the dealership.... would he get a car with nothing down.

If so, then they maybe fine (although I suspect the car dealership would be bankrupt). If not, then you have an extra benefit by definition.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:41 am to
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It's fishy, but if Doug Archie thinks no NCAA rules were violated, then I believe him.


From the article:
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Both dealers, whose businesses are not connected, say they routinely call Archie's office when an athlete is ready to buy a car, provide the purchase price and discuss who will co-sign on a loan. Archie said he relies on the car dealers to provide accurate information.
"I'm not a car expert. We have to rely on their integrity and their word when it comes to selling a car," he said. Ohio State runs "spot checks" on some transactions against the Kelley Blue Book value.


Yes, as long as the guy who is relying on the integrity of a used car salesman says the are clean, then I am fine with it too
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80559 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:45 am to
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The question is if another student with the same credit profile, income (nil) etc... walked onto the dealership.... would he get a car with nothing down.


Credit companies wouldn't care if a kid plays football or not.

Unless these were "buy here, pay here" types of places, then that would be applicable.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:11 am to
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Credit companies wouldn't care if a kid plays football or not.


I completely agree, which is why zero down with no income is a touch suspicious, wouldnt you say?

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Unless these were "buy here, pay here" types of places, then that would be applicable.


Agreed.

Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:18 am to
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I completely agree, which is why zero down with no income is a touch suspicious, wouldnt you say?


Without seeing the paperwork it's hard to say. I've never had to make a down payment on a car in my life. There also may be co-signers involved on many of these loans. That would make a huge difference.

Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80559 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:27 am to
Zero down happens frequently when the car is sold on a steep discount in relation to the book value of the car. So they could have been selling them cars for a loss which would obviously be in violation.

But I don't get why they would do that, just for some tickets they could buy from not discounting the cars?

Too many holes in the story to make an accurate judgment at this point.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:29 am to
I agree Kosmo. Honestly, the whole thing just makes me sick.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:31 am to
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Without seeing the paperwork it's hard to say. I've never had to make a down payment on a car in my life. There also may be co-signers involved on many of these loans. That would make a huge difference.


Who is co-signing for these kids is another question.

I am just glad the Pryors were able to get 3 or 4 cars for the family... I was worried they were borderline destitute.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80559 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 8:31 am to
Clarett and Smith both had car issues right?

I think it's pretty safe to assume that JT needs to be held liable for all of whatever is going on, on top of the coverup.

I think he needs to go, and Urban Meyer is NOT the guy I want running our program.

Hopefully Fickell comes out gangbusters.
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