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re: MLBPA submits its counterproposal, owners view it as a non starter
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:34 am to McMillan
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:34 am to McMillan
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I love the Cardinals and always will, but I’ve just about had it with MLB.
me too
That is the sport I follow most closely, thing is, I have not missed it.
That is a big problem for them if I am the least bit representative, have no idea if I am.
following the same track a couple years behind the NFL for me, I couldn't name half the Packers starters now
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:42 am to WestCoastAg
Seems like the small population of super rich players are hijacking this.
The more modestly paid players, who represent most of the league, need to speak up.
The more modestly paid players, who represent most of the league, need to speak up.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:23 am to WestCoastAg
And people argued to high heaven with me the other day when I correctly stated that whoever is right or wrong, the players will be the ones to come out of this smelling the most like shite.
Can’t stand the modern day professional athlete.
In what other fricking career field do you think you’ll be able to sit on your arse voluntarily and still pull in 100% of your check?
Can’t stand the modern day professional athlete.
In what other fricking career field do you think you’ll be able to sit on your arse voluntarily and still pull in 100% of your check?
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 7:26 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:28 am to McMillan
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I love the Cardinals and always will, but I’ve just about had it with MLB.
Same. This isn’t a good look. But also, frick Manfred too. Total arse clown.
No one in this battle is coming out smelling like roses, for a sport with the most distancing you can get. If the NBA and football come back, baseball is going to look retarded as frick over this.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:34 am to Athos
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Players who are at ’high risk’ would receive full salary and service time while the others could opt out but won’t be paid
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For the players opting out: those who are considered "high-risk" would receive salary, whereas others would receive service time only.
Further, players would receive $100 million total advance during the new spring training.
Also: MLBPA proposes two years of playoff expansion.
I really hate the idea of playoff expansion, the regular season determines the best teams by opening up the playoffs you are allowing lesser teams a chance they did not earn during the season.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:48 am to tduecen
I’m all for expanded playoffs.
But in return they have to cut the season to 100 games.
162 game season is enough to figure out who is best. There really should be no divisions within the Leagues and just have the top two teams play for the pennant.
But in return they have to cut the season to 100 games.
162 game season is enough to figure out who is best. There really should be no divisions within the Leagues and just have the top two teams play for the pennant.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 7:48 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:50 am to Salamander_Wilson
I'm a huge baseball fan, but baseball can go frick itself
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:02 am to WestCoastAg
The players submitted this knowing it would be a non-starter because it was something that was negotiated and decided already.
It was done to highlight the absurdity of the owners wanting to renegotiate something that was already decided.
It was done to highlight the absurdity of the owners wanting to renegotiate something that was already decided.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:04 am to ProjectP2294
According to a few the original negotiations had language if there were no fans then they would look into more talks. The deal they struck was in place expecting fans, someone linked it in the other thread.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:47 am to ProjectP2294
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The players submitted this knowing it would be a non-starter because it was something that was negotiated and decided already.
It was done to highlight the absurdity of the owners wanting to renegotiate something that was already decided.
I’ve been on the players side throughout this whole ordeal but them issuing this proposal is no less ridiculous than the one the owners put forth. Both sides are acting childish now.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:51 am to CottonWasKing
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them issuing this proposal is no less ridiculous than the one the owners put forth.
That was the point, per the labor lawyer talking about it on twitter last week. tduecen copied and pasted it into one of the threads.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:59 am to Stretch Suba
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The problem with both sides is they need to quit negotiating in public. Stop leaking details and negotiate secretly. This is not 1994. Most fans aren’t really interested in who’s right or wrong at this point. We just want baseball or any live sports that’s semi big league.
It’s a bad time to try to be winning a PR battle, and unfortunately the owners and players are the only ones who fail to grasp this.
Well said.
Arguing publicly and leaking proposal info is profoundly tonedeaf. This isn't the typical negotiation climate, and these types of social media theatrics don't sit well with anyone given the current economic stress levels of most Americans, not to mention the social upheaval at the moment.
I've touched on this ad nauseum, but it's almost fascinating to watch baseball — MLB players, owners, league administration — essentially dig its own grave.
They couldn't be less strategic or more tone deaf if they tried to be. They had a golden opportunity to strike while the iron was hot and monopolize TV with the majority of America uncharacteristically spending the summer at home, which might have increased their reach and potentially have won them the type of casual following and social media presence that the NBA enjoys and set themselves up for future growth, especially in the younger demographics where their future is more foreboding.
But instead, in typical myopic fashion, both sides chose to play the short game and step over a dollar to pick up a dime.
As Luke Skywalker said in The Last Jedi, "this is not going to go the way you think."
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:02 am to WestCoastAg
In a country starving for live sports MLB had such a gigantic opportunity to get a ton of new fans.
Of course they’d frick this up.
Of course they’d frick this up.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:04 am to WestCoastAg
The deferments with interest killed this proposal. It is at least a start though.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:10 am to ProjectP2294
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That was the point
I understand that but it just comes across as petty to me. Either put out something that has a chance or sit tight and let the owners sweat it out.
That being said I don’t exactly have a lot of experience negotiating labor agreements.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:14 am to CottonWasKing
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I understand that but it just comes across as petty to me.
I don't disagree. I don't think there is a way for the players to look good in this unfortunately. And a lot of that is by design of the owners.
The issue, IMO, is that the owners are using the pandemic as a way to win the next CBA negotiations and forcing the players to defend themselves in preparation of that. And it's causing a stalemate.
If there was some guarantee that what gets ironed out now cannot set precedent for the CBA, then both sides could more easily figure out a way to get on the field as soon as possible.
I don't know how possible that is though because that could have more far reaching labor law implications outside of sports.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:45 am to WestCoastAg
Cancel all contracts and start from scratch
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:47 am to Lsuhoohoo
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That MLBPA seeks to protect salaries of players who opt out due to being high risk or having close family that is high risk if they catch the coronavirus is strongest hint yet that there will be players who opt out if games are played this year.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:51 am to WestCoastAg
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you mean the owners did
You have such a hard-on for the owners
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:16 am to Lsuhoohoo
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No play, no pay. fricking clowns.
They have to do something like this purely for PR. If they don’t have an opt-out and someone gets it, it will be a shite show.
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