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Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:47 am to Sun God
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Sims has a WHIP of 1.45 this year
Unless he pitched tonight, it’s 1.37 and in his minor league career, is 1.29.
9.3k/9
He’s expendable for Atl but he has the most upside of anyone in the deal
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:49 am to UltimateHog
Duvall batting .205 - holy shite that's bad
Posted on 7/31/18 at 1:06 am to Lester Earl
You're leaving out his MLB stats. Hint: he got shelled.
Excellent research as always though.
Excellent research as always though.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:27 am to Sun God
Wisler and Tucker have little to no value here, both are AAAA players who take up 40 man spots and will be out of options at season's end.
Sims is an interesting piece and worth the risk for the Reds. But I would say without exaggeration he is probably the 12th-13th best under-24 arm in the Braves system.
The Braves have among the worst bench production in the league and Inciarte has been dreadful against left hand pitching and Duvall without question helps in both of those areas.
I would be pleased with the deal as a Reds fan, but I certainly think it's a fine trade to make for the Braves and should improve the 2018 club, even though Duvall certainly looks to be limited and could even be a non tender candidate in the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Sims goes on to outperform Duvall at the big league level over the next 5+ years but it's a trade with little to no risk from the Braves POV with the glut of young arms in the system that are higher than Sims on the totem pole.
I don't think you can complain about trying to improve the margins of your club when you're in contention in late July when you're doing so without dipping in to any kind of significant prospect capital.
Sims is an interesting piece and worth the risk for the Reds. But I would say without exaggeration he is probably the 12th-13th best under-24 arm in the Braves system.
The Braves have among the worst bench production in the league and Inciarte has been dreadful against left hand pitching and Duvall without question helps in both of those areas.
I would be pleased with the deal as a Reds fan, but I certainly think it's a fine trade to make for the Braves and should improve the 2018 club, even though Duvall certainly looks to be limited and could even be a non tender candidate in the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Sims goes on to outperform Duvall at the big league level over the next 5+ years but it's a trade with little to no risk from the Braves POV with the glut of young arms in the system that are higher than Sims on the totem pole.
I don't think you can complain about trying to improve the margins of your club when you're in contention in late July when you're doing so without dipping in to any kind of significant prospect capital.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:05 am to volfan30
Wisler has a 5.27 era and 4.93 fip in his first 324 innings. Lucas Sims has a 5.96 era and 5.26 fip in 68 innings so far in his career. Both are fly ball pitchers that give up a lot of HRs and are moving to a hitters ballpark. Duvall is a lot better than what the Braves have had this year as a 4th outfielder. Duvall has 5 war in his career in 467 games which is solid for a 4th outfielder. All three players the Braves traded away would’ve been DFA anyway to make room on the 40 man roster.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 5:59 am to rebel of fortune
None were in danger of being DFA'd during this season. Wisler and Tucker were likely going to be in trouble in the offseason though.
Braves have plenty of 40 man flexibility right now.
Chad Bell (DFA'd by the Tigers a couple months ago)
Jason Hursh
Wes Parsons
Chase Whitley
All guys who likely would have been ahead of these players on the DFA list if they needed room for Touki/Riley/Wright etc. in the next couple months.
Braves have plenty of 40 man flexibility right now.
Chad Bell (DFA'd by the Tigers a couple months ago)
Jason Hursh
Wes Parsons
Chase Whitley
All guys who likely would have been ahead of these players on the DFA list if they needed room for Touki/Riley/Wright etc. in the next couple months.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 6:26 am to volfan30
Wisler and Tucker were both out of options moving forward. Wisler wasn’t gonna be on the Braves next year. Luke Jackson is pitching in the bullpen right now and the Braves DFA him a couple of months ago.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:24 am to rebel of fortune
They are out of options after this season, they can be optioned back and forth for the remainder of this season.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:27 am to UltimateHog
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Sims is a really good return, it's the classic fan reaction of trading away a player so bash him.
lol this is so far off the mark. All Braves fans have been saying that Sims is garbage and have thinking about what trade packages he could be a throwaway in. He started out in highly ranked in the Braves system due to lack of pitching talent in the organization, and with every guy that they brought in during the rebuild either via trade or draft, he was moved further and further down the list.
He is terrible.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:30 am to reddman
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Hard to believe Sims just turned 24. Plenty of time for him to figure it out. They could have done him for Duvall straight up and I would have been alright with it.
He doesn't have the physical tools to "figure it out."
The Braves needed to clear space from the 40 man roster to bring up and add players who can actually play, so you are really doing them a favor.
But hey, if having guys who throw low 90s straight fastballs down the heart of the zone are your cup of tea, then have at it.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:31 am to Lester Earl
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Most Pitchers take a long time to develop. 3 pitch mix could make him a back end starter. He’s throwing well in AAA this year.
lol
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:48 am to VinegarStrokes
The truth of the matter is that they all suck. The Reds would have been happy to get rid of him for a bag of balls so getting a prospect who could develop into an average major leaguer is a win. The Braves could use some power off the bench so that's a win. Duvall provides no value in his current role in Cincy than in Atlanta and Sims could be more help to the Reds in the future. Almost zero risk move for everyone.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:08 am to VinegarStrokes
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He doesn't have the physical tools to "figure it out."
14 starts AAA
2.84 ERA
83 K’s in 73 IP
Is that good or bad. Seems like there are some tools there
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:14 am to papz
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The truth of the matter is that they all suck. The Reds would have been happy to get rid of him for a bag of balls so getting a prospect who could develop into an average major leaguer is a win. The Braves could use some power off the bench so that's a win. Duvall provides no value in his current role in Cincy than in Atlanta and Sims could be more help to the Reds in the future. Almost zero risk move for everyone.
Yep, it's funny....both teams' fanbases seem pleased with the return and with being able to dump their shite onto someone else. There's no sense in bickering further about it, everyone wins!
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:15 am to Lester Earl
If you want a AAA pitcher, then have at it. He cannot get major league hitters out.
There are guys who come up and struggle, but you can see that they have something. If you actually watch Sims pitch instead of being concerned with the stat line, you will understand what everyone else is saying.
There are guys who come up and struggle, but you can see that they have something. If you actually watch Sims pitch instead of being concerned with the stat line, you will understand what everyone else is saying.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:20 am to VinegarStrokes
A guy with no physical tools gets blown up at AAA too.
A guy with no physical tools certainly doesnt K more than a batter per inning
A guy with no physical tools certainly doesnt K more than a batter per inning
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 8:21 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:58 am to Lester Earl
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A guy with no physical tools gets blown up at AAA too.
A guy with no physical tools certainly doesnt K more than a batter per inning
I told you to have at it. I've watched him pitch on tv and in person at both the MLB and AAA level. I've seen enough to know that he cannot get the job done consistently where it matters (in the MLB). You have not seen him pitch and are fixated on his stats this year. Again...have at it.
Edit: and honestly, it doesn't really matter what I think. The Braves brought him up last year and were disgusted by what they saw. There have been several opportunties for them to call him up again this year for a spot start and they decided against it. That tells me all that I need to know.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 9:03 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 9:12 am to VinegarStrokes
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Kudos to the Pittsburgh #Pirates for finally adding and not subtracting at trade deadline by acquiring #Rangers closer Keone Kela for LHP Taylor Hearn and a player to be named. Huge lift for team and clubhouse morale
- Nightengale
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The player to be named later in the #Pirates #Rangers Keone Kela deal is a lower-tier prospect, sources say. Not of the same level as Taylor Hearn.
- Crasnick
Didn’t see it discussed on here amidst the controversial/high profile Adam Duvall/Lucas Sims swap but this seems like a really nice deal for the Pirates. Kela still has three years of control after this year I believe
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 9:13 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 9:15 am to VinegarStrokes
I cannot believe that the last 5 pages have consisted of folks bickering about a trade revolving around Adam Duvall and a couple AAAA guys.
I got all excited seeing all the new posts thinking there was traction with a Harper trade and I came in here to see that shite smh
I got all excited seeing all the new posts thinking there was traction with a Harper trade and I came in here to see that shite smh
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 9:16 am
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