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re: MLB Season is Probably Dead. More On PG 5
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:10 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:10 pm to ProjectP2294
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And it's completely shitty on the part of the owners to expect them to do that.
It's shitty on everyone. It's not just the owners. Everyone needs to get over it for a few months.
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:19 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:LMAO
Big $ players like Trout and Harper seem dead set on making it as difficult as possible to salvage a season.
there is middle ground here try harder.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:21 pm to RollDatRoll
quote:how is this shitty on the players? The owners told them in March they would honor prorated salaries. Now they want to get rid of that and do a "one time only" revenue split that they absolutely will use against them the next time the CBA is up. The owners are clearly the ones acting a fool here
It's shitty on everyone. It's not just the owners
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:38 pm to MikeD
Yup, you nailed it.
I'm not very optimistic they get this done. I hope they do before the end of May as if they don't, I'll feel fairly "meh" about 2020 baseball.
My confidence is starting to grow some that we'll see more sports though. It might be weird, but at least it'll be there.
I'm not very optimistic they get this done. I hope they do before the end of May as if they don't, I'll feel fairly "meh" about 2020 baseball.
My confidence is starting to grow some that we'll see more sports though. It might be weird, but at least it'll be there.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:49 pm to WestCoastAg
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I am in no way shape or form even remotely trying to act like that was a concession.
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Posted by WestCoastAg online on 5/19/20 at 2:21 pm to msutiger
the players agreed to play under prorated salaries. the owners then immediately started asking for more concessions.
They agreed to play under prorated salaries in these circumstances when they signed their contracts. The owners are actually the ones who made a concession in March when they agreed to send them lump sum money
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:54 pm to cubsfan5150
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The CBA wasn't drawn up with the possibility of no fans in mind.
The players shouldn’t be on the hook for only the downside in this scenario
That’s my opinion at least
The entire contract and salary structure in baseball is outdated and flawed and this is as good a time as ever to start changing it IMO. It’s coming anyways. Does it mean a more structured salary cap? Probably. But young MLB players have been getting the shite end for far too long and the player reps should step up and start working to correct it even if it means some older players get a raw deal in the process.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 5:57 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:which the owners then said they'd honor in March
They agreed to play under prorated salaries in these circumstances when they signed their contracts
quote:and I never argued otherwise. The owners made a concession on the lump sum, and they made a concession when they granted a year of service time no matter what. Prorated salaries arent something the players are conceding to the owners. But that doesnt change anything about the fact that an agreement was made to honor them in March and now, instead of honoring that, they are trying to shoehorn something the MLBPA has been adamantly against since the beginning of time and are absolutely doing so they can use it against them during the next CBA negotiations
The owners are actually the ones who made a concession in March when they agreed to send them lump sum money
Posted on 5/20/20 at 6:00 pm to WestCoastAg
Yeah I agree with you there. Unfortunately this brought all the issues that were going to come in the next CBA up earlier before either party was ready to hash them out and on a limited timeline. I do think they’ll reach some sort of agreement to play.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 6:08 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I think we are going to see the players take the split for this year but in turn are going to get an increase on the tax ceiling, with less harsh penalties, which should theoretically increase spending
But I agree that players need to look to a salary cap and if they play it right, could probably work on a soft cap like the NBA has
But I agree that players need to look to a salary cap and if they play it right, could probably work on a soft cap like the NBA has
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 6:12 pm to WestCoastAg
I think the structure in general should look a lot like the NBA. Shorter team control windows, max type contracts, higher minimums, a salary floor, etc.
Hopefully it happens
Hopefully it happens
Posted on 5/20/20 at 6:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The entire contract and salary structure in baseball is outdated and flawed
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entire
Explain
Posted on 5/20/20 at 6:39 pm to cubsfan5150
How many elite players are still on their team control/arb deals or discount extensions signed during them? How often are players peak years now their cheapest? Front offices in baseball have evolved to develop young talent better and figured out you can get cheap production from players from age 22-25 but the way players are compensated hasn’t changed at all. That’s how you get guys like Acuna signing his deal. Arbitration is a mess/joke of a process as far as fairly compensating talent and needs to be gone. The entire structure of how MLB players needs to be overhauled.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Unfortunately this brought all the issues that were going to come in the next CBA up earlier before either party was ready to hash them out and on a limited timeline. I do think they’ll reach some sort of agreement to play.
I'm curious what this does for the next CBA. The general assumption was that we were headed for a players strike after the 2021 season. You would think this situation lessens the likelihood of that. The players aren't going to want to miss out on more playing time after going through it this year.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:31 pm to Lsuhoohoo
I think this situation might lead to more bruised egos and might make the sides dig in more for 2021. But who knows
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
That's not much different than any other league. These elite guys were typically elite when drafted/signed and sign for 7 and 8 figure contracts before ever hitting a Major League baseball.
On top of that, you have at least a 25% chance of the guy that you selected never stepping on a major league field.
I'll give it to you that since the end of the roid era, younger players have began filling in where the old roid guy once was, but those younger players are now hitting free agency at anywhere between 26-30 years old and the top ones are getting paid like nobody else.
As far as arbitration, while not ideal as it's basically several 1-yr deals, guys are getting paid very well. Even average to above average guys like Trea Turner are making $7.5M at just 26 y/o. With another good season, he'll likely make at least 8 figures next year, much like Baez was slated to make this season.
If a team is trying to give you stability by buying you out of your arbitration years and you take it, that's on the player. Acuna's contract was just dumb to accept, like Pippen. Hell, Trout got $144M over 6 years in 2014 lol. Dumb players/agents doesn't make an entire process dumb/antiquated.
On top of that, you have at least a 25% chance of the guy that you selected never stepping on a major league field.
I'll give it to you that since the end of the roid era, younger players have began filling in where the old roid guy once was, but those younger players are now hitting free agency at anywhere between 26-30 years old and the top ones are getting paid like nobody else.
As far as arbitration, while not ideal as it's basically several 1-yr deals, guys are getting paid very well. Even average to above average guys like Trea Turner are making $7.5M at just 26 y/o. With another good season, he'll likely make at least 8 figures next year, much like Baez was slated to make this season.
If a team is trying to give you stability by buying you out of your arbitration years and you take it, that's on the player. Acuna's contract was just dumb to accept, like Pippen. Hell, Trout got $144M over 6 years in 2014 lol. Dumb players/agents doesn't make an entire process dumb/antiquated.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 4:13 pm to tduecen
Heyman
Passan
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Players held call recently on proposed health protocols and at greatest issue are rules requiring players to drastically alter prep/recovery routines: showering, hot/cold tubs, hitting in inside cages, etc. Players see increased injury risk, seek best chance to prepare/recover.
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Players are expecting MLB’s economic proposal by early next week. If it’s for a 50-50 revenue sharing split that’s all but sure to be shot down by players. Meanwhile, MLB seems equally opposed to paying prorated player salaries over the proposed 82 games. Compromising needed.
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In case anyone’s wondering, since play was suspended MLB players have continued to be tested for PEDs
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Players union in internal memo says it is “livid” over so-called smoking gun MLB email becoming public in NY Post and is an attempt by MLB at “railroading” players. Union memo also noted it requested paperwork from MLB it has yet to receive March 13. So tension persists.
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The term “railroading” was a quote from a Deadspin article by @jessespector but it is clear in the internal union that the union leadership agreed with the Deadspin take
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The players union memo, which was obtained here, begins thusly (and ominously) ... “As MLB misinformation continues to be pushed out through the media and various club personnel, we wanted to provide some straightforward facts for player reference ...” (cont for their facts)
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The players union memo lists these as facts: 1) they are committed to getting an agreement but no deal or MLB proposal yet 2) no date has been set to resume spring 3) the union will provide time to arrange accommodations 4) MLB hasn’t responded to March 13 request for $ documents
Passan
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The MLBPA has delivered its proposal to MLB, as @joelsherman1 said. Among the topics, per source:
- protection for high-risk players/family members
- frequency of testing
- protocol for positives
- sanitization
- need for pre- and postgame therapy
- medical personnel at stadium
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/21/20 at 4:28 pm to tduecen
MLB will always have salary cap issues because of minor league baseball. Too much room for manipulation.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:09 am to tduecen
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Yankees and Mets will both be going back to Florida to conduct spring training at their regular spring sites (assuming MLB and union strike a deal). Teams have a choice and while New York’s Covid-19 numbers are improving, Florida’s numbers are better than most per capita.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:14 am to tduecen
Rays are opening Tropicana for player workouts starting on Monday as well
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:38 am to WestCoastAg
I don’t understand why the owners shouldn’t have to eat the downside risk for this virus situation, that’s the deal with owning a business, risks like business interruption are yours.
Of course, they are well within their rights to negotiate with the players and try and shift that cost. No idea why anyone would take the owners, who have reaped the benefits of appreciating franchise values, side in this though (you don’t have to take the player’s side either of course, it’s all just business in the end)
Of course, they are well within their rights to negotiate with the players and try and shift that cost. No idea why anyone would take the owners, who have reaped the benefits of appreciating franchise values, side in this though (you don’t have to take the player’s side either of course, it’s all just business in the end)
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