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re: MLB Offseason Thread: Hosmer to the Padres, Twins get a starter
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:40 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:40 pm to Lester Earl
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That’s a nice haul. Sandy, Sierra & Gallen could all see time with the big club this year
Sandy saw time last year as a 22yr old, Sierra as a 21 yr old. Thats rare and means those guys can play
But they're redundant within the org. And while I wanted to see both of them stay with the Cardinals, it's going to be a while before they match the value the Cardinals will get from Ozuna.
And when I say the Cardinals barely gave up anything, I mean they still have Flaherty, Weaver, Reyes, and Hudson from the pitching side, and still a slew of MLB ready OFs from which to deal in another trade. Sure the piece they gave up are nice, but they've got a ton more that they can still use in a trade.
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:52 pm to UltimateHog
Damn if angels can add a pitcher and stay healthy they should contend for a playoff spot
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:00 pm to ProjectP2294
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it's going to be a while before they match the value the Cardinals will get from Ozuna.
what are you expecting?
odds are he doest repeat those career high hr/fb or babip. He could very well be closer to the 25 HR bat than the 37 he hit last season. Which in the end woud basically make him Stephen Piscotty. If Ozuna regresses to the mean and they deal piscotty, It would be a curious trade
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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He could very well be closer to the 25 HR bat than the 37 he hit last season.
Which would have still led (tied) the Cardinals last year.
I'm not expecting last season to repeat itself, but 30 HRs isn't out of the question. I'm expecting more than we got out of the combo of Piscotty and Grichuk from a consistency standpoint and production standpoint.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:12 pm to ProjectP2294
Yankees inquired about Grienke I would assume they have to take Ellsbury to make that work
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:14 pm to fhsdemonfan3131
Think they would inquire, they did so on Cole as well.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:15 pm to GynoSandberg
I may get me an Ozuna jersey, guy is going to be a crowd favorite in STL like he was in Miami and excellent in the club house too.
He's great friends with CMart.
Should be a near perfect fit. Cards got a lot better today with more on the way.
He's great friends with CMart.
Should be a near perfect fit. Cards got a lot better today with more on the way.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:31 pm to ProjectP2294
I don’t think piscotty got a fair shake. In everyday ABs two years ago he put up Ozuna numbers. Ozuna was inconsistent up until last year, too
Idk, you just extended Piscotty. I don’t have issue w Ozuna, more about giving up assets when you already had a guy
ETA
Piscotty: 1306 PA’s .268/.346/.438/.784
Ozuna: 2684 PA’s .277/.329/.457/.786
Idk, you just extended Piscotty. I don’t have issue w Ozuna, more about giving up assets when you already had a guy
ETA
Piscotty: 1306 PA’s .268/.346/.438/.784
Ozuna: 2684 PA’s .277/.329/.457/.786
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:40 pm to GynoSandberg
Everyone is raping the Marlins. Hopefully for the Marlins, these moves aren’t indicative of what the future holds for them.
Even in salary dumping, the combination for moving Gordon(for a bag of balls), Stanton(underwhelming even for the salary dump), and Ozuna(the worst definition of a sell high) barely improved their farm system.
Even in salary dumping, the combination for moving Gordon(for a bag of balls), Stanton(underwhelming even for the salary dump), and Ozuna(the worst definition of a sell high) barely improved their farm system.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:41 pm to GynoSandberg
Given that his head was so far from the playing field last season (his mom being diagnosed with ALS really fricked him up), Piscotty probably got a longer leash than he should have.
His mom's health issues are part of the reason he will probably get traded to the As.
His mom's health issues are part of the reason he will probably get traded to the As.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:54 pm to ProjectP2294
ESPN gives the Cards a B+ on the deal and the Marlins a C+.
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Why St. Louis made the deal: Ozuna is coming off a monster 2017, hitting .312/.376/.548 with 37 home runs while also winning the Gold Glove Award for left field in the National League. It added up to a 5.8-WAR season that ranked ninth among NL position players, and this gives the Cardinals the middle-of-the-order bat they've desired. It also creates one of the best outfields in the game with Tommy Pham -- coming off a breakout season of 6.4 WAR -- likely moving to center field on a full-time basis with Ozuna and Dexter Fowler in the corners.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:55 pm to papz
Gordon deal was bad
I think Stanton and Ozuna got what the market called for. Stanton w the contract and I don’t think GMs are buying Zuna as a 35 HR bat
I think if they could’ve gotten Frazier in the Stanton deal, coupled with the Ozuna return (I don’t think it’s bad) then they would not have made out too bad. I think that Gordon deal was botched
I think Stanton and Ozuna got what the market called for. Stanton w the contract and I don’t think GMs are buying Zuna as a 35 HR bat
I think if they could’ve gotten Frazier in the Stanton deal, coupled with the Ozuna return (I don’t think it’s bad) then they would not have made out too bad. I think that Gordon deal was botched
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:59 pm to mizslu314
He’s another Grichuk clone to me.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:13 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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He’s another Grichuk clone to me.
Perhaps they could compare Gold Gloves
Oh wait
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:17 pm to GynoSandberg
I can understand the Stanton deal as he pretty much handcuffed the Marlins in being able to refuse where he wanted to go. But you have to think coming off a great year, they should have at least been able to get a higher floor prospect in the Ozuna deal. Even someone like Bader would have made the deal more platable. Alcantara may still just be a reliever and Sierra maybe a Lorenzo Cain lite. Galleon can be a mid rotation starter but more likely a back end starter. The Gordon deal was just bad.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:34 pm to gthog61
At the plate, I don’t see much difference between them.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:41 pm to papz
Kinsler deal is complete, he just needs to waive his no trade
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:41 pm to papz
I think they would have had more leverage had the Ozuna deal would have happened first. They would have shown they were serious about selling and said go now or stay for the rebuild.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:49 pm to SEC. 593
Good point.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:02 pm to papz
Marlins better hope Yelich doesn't want out of Miami. It would really hurt the Marlins if he makes it clear he wants out. If teams know Marlins have to move Yelich it would really hurt his value with teams knowing the Marlins have to move him. What type of package would it take to get Yelich? I would imagine it would be 2 top 50 prospects and another top 100 could get the deal done. It will be interesting to see what teams are willing to give up for a guy that isn't a big power hitter.
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