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re: MLB Off-Season Thread: Story to Red Sox, Solar to Marlins

Posted on 3/19/22 at 7:00 am to
Posted by BearCrocs
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 7:00 am to
Has an incredible arm and on ok bat.

Ever since he got married, he changed. Happens to everyone
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 7:04 am to
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The Tigers have fortified the back of their rotation, reportedly agreeing to terms with Michael Pineda on a one-year, $5.5MM guarantee. The deal, which is pending a physical, also contains another $2.5MM in possible incentives. Pineda is a client of ISE Baseball.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 7:05 am to
Bergman is on the same path, sporting a dad bod bow and all
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 8:24 am to
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Story has “multiple new suitors” as of this morning, per Jon Heyman of the MLB Network (via Twitter). The Twins’ signing of Carlos Correa last night could certainly prompt some new conversations now that Story is the last of the big names on the market. Along with the Giants and Red Sox, Heyman names the Rangers, Astros, and Yankees as teams who have potentially opened up conversations with Story.

Heyman adds a few other notes, saying that Story still prefers to play shortstop, though he’s said to be open to a position change. He is also open to a short-term deal in the vein of the one signed by Correa, tweets Heyman.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:14 am to
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He's exactly right


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chipper is an old man yelling at clouds

GTFOH

What exactly is he "screaming at clouds" about IYO? I'll wait.

And he'll be 50 next month, not old in the least.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 11:15 am to
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And he'll be 50 next month, not old in the least.
thats pretty old
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 11:22 am to
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What exactly is he "screaming at clouds" about IYO? I'll wait.



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WestCoastAg

Still waiting......
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 11:26 am to
oh no, i told you they would move on from you! we should have a do over where you bow to the braves! he didnt handle things the right way!
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 11:31 am to
Yeah, Freddie had every opportunity to stay. But he had bad representation who tried to strong-arm the Braves and the Braves/AA called their bluff.

It's on Freddie. Everything Chipper said is dead-on correct.

And just for your listening pleasure, here is his interview from yesterday afternoon.... Chipper
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 11:33 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:21 pm to
The fact the Braves could match what the Dodgers offered shows it was about the Braves, not Freeman. Braves got younger but it isn't like Freeman would have broke the bank
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:23 pm to
And the notion that he messed up, or fricked around and found our, is funny. Im pretty sure hes ok with how everything went
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:34 pm to
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Drew Smyly to Cubs. 1 year $5.25M with $2.5M in incentives



Yeah he still got paid, gets to go home and play with another good team. Sure he probably wanted things to be a bit different but it isn't like he is playing for a shite franchise
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:40 pm to
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The fact the Braves could match what the Dodgers offered shows it was about the Braves, not Freeman.


Oh really?
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THE BRAVES HAD made an opening offer to Freeman back in the spring of 2021, but it was an under-value deal that was customary of how the franchise conducted its baseball business following the 2020 pandemic season. The Braves, like other teams, had cut payroll, shedding productive players like Adam Duvall, Darren O'Day and Mark Melancon. So it was no surprise that the spring proposal fell far short of what Freeman's representatives, Casey Close and Vic Menocal of the Excel Agency, sought on the player's behalf.

But Atlanta's revenue trajectory changed quickly. The Braves were among the first teams to open their stands to fans, and Atlanta finished second among major league teams in attendance in 2021. Ownership gave the Braves' baseball operations the go-ahead to make deals in July, and Anthopoulos traded for Joc Pederson, Duvall, Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario and others.



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Around the same time, at last summer's trade deadline, the Braves finally moved in their negotiations with Freeman, offering him $125 million over five years, according to sources. The response from Freeman's camp remained consistent with what had been communicated before -- he would only agree to a deal that included a sixth year. In the weeks that followed, the Braves bumped their offer to $135 million over five years.

According to two league sources, the team was using Paul Goldschmidt's five-year, $130 million deal with the Cardinals as a comparable contract. At the time of Goldschmidt's contract with St. Louis in 2019, he was 31 years old, a little younger than Freeman, who turned 32 last September.



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In speaking with reporters all season, Freeman publicly deflected conversations about his negotiations, saying he was focused on his family and what the Braves were trying to accomplish on the field -- which was a remarkable turnaround. In Freeman's last 55 games of the regular season, he batted .323, and the Braves went 37-18. When Atlanta made short work of all of their postseason opponents, eventually beating the Astros in six games in the World Series, it felt like a storybook ending -- and the perfect moment for Atlanta's favorite son to agree to continue his stay.

All that time, the Braves' five-year offer remained on the table, including through a pre-lockout November in which there was little communication between the team and Freeman's camp. Close maintained that Freeman needed a sixth year in any offer from the Braves, and he began talking to other clubs. Without a deal on Dec. 2, after the owners locked out the players, Anthopoulos and Close did not negotiate for the 99 days of the labor shutdown.

When the business of baseball resumed, the Braves reconnected with Freeman's representatives. Anthopoulos nudged Atlanta's offer upward, to $140 million over five years.



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Anthopoulos rejected both of Excel's proposals. The two sides agreed on only this: All offers and proposals were off the table. Both sides needed to prepare for an Atlanta squad without Freddie Freeman.

QUICKLY, ANTHOPOLOUS BEGAN making those plans -- and he knew that if Freeman was not going to be the Braves' first baseman, he needed a star: a high-end player for the sake of the team's run production and defense. The Braves have won the NL East each of the last four years, with Freeman at first base, but their competition was only getting tougher: Mets owner Steve Cohen has spent aggressively this offseason, adding ace Max Scherzer, center fielder Starling Marte and others; the Phillies have loaded up on bullpen help, and locked up Kyle Schwarber.

So very late on Sunday, March 13 -- a day after Anthopolous ended talks with Freeman's camp -- Anthopoulos reached out to Billy Beane, who heads baseball operations for the Athletics, and asked for Beane's price for Olson. For Oakland, this was an opportunity to deal with a desperate trade partner. As one executive said, "Billy knew Alex couldn't roll out Joey BagofDoughnuts out there at first base to replace Freddie Freeman."

But if they got a star, the Braves could shape the conversation around Freeman's departure. The message to the team would be that even without Freeman, the team was serious about winning.




Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:44 pm to
Yes and nothing you copied and pasted says other wise. The Braves didn't want to go 6, Freeman did so the Braves moved on. The Braves could have gone 6 if it wanted to, especially at that value.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Olson was a seemingly perfect candidate: an All-Star, a big-time power hitter and an excellent defender. And the cherry on top for the Braves is that he was born and raised in the Atlanta area. He had grown up a Braves fan, rooting for Jones and others. All of that added to his potential public-relations value to the Braves' organization, no small consideration.

As Freeman remained unsigned, the Braves' ownership and Anthopoulos had borne the brunt of criticism over the negotiations for months -- and the scrutiny climbed after the disclosure that the team's parent company, the publicly traded Liberty Media, had profited greatly in 2021.

About noon on Monday, Beane presented his final asking price to Anthopoulos: a four-prospect package, fronted by catcher Shea Langeliers and outfielder Cristian Pache. Anthopoulous said yes. Not long after, Pache was called into a side office in the Braves' clubhouse. As he emerged, he told teammates he was part of a deal for Olson.

Anthopoulos met with reporters, and with his voice cracking, he talked about how hard it had been to make the trade -- although he couldn't say exactly why. Because of baseball's rules, he couldn't say out loud that Freeman, an unsigned free agent, would not return.





Not surprised at your reaction. Considering you and your butt buddy both think that Acuna isn't a top-7 player.


And if you this after reading that that this is on the Braves, well, you are beyond help.
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34792 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:48 pm to
Says the guy that thinks Acuna isn't a top-7 player.

You're a moron.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:48 pm to
Dude, I think your mental considering ive stated Acuna is top 5 depending on preference but you haven't shown me proof that Riley is a top 5 MVP candidate yet.
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145200 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:50 pm to
Not even braves fans on here can stand him
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 12:51 pm to
He continues to state Riley was a top 5 MVP despite finishing 7th, I've stated I think Soto is better than Acuma but I've ranked Avuna highly.


I think k he is getting his arguments mixed up, must be an old fella that likes to yell at clouds
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 1:46 pm to
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The Tigers floated a deal for about $275M to Carlos Correa before the lockout (and before they signed Javier Baez), when he was seeking $330M-$350M. But with two opt-outs there's a chance this works out as well or better.
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