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re: Mickey Mantle hit a ball 565 feet

Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:51 pm to
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Link? I've always read that the hardest thrown ball until the 2000s was 101.8 by Nolan Ryan.

LINK

The fastball doc is here
LINK
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
No it's not not even in the realm of evidence and just because Judge or Stanton didn't hit one that far yesterday doesn't mean they're not capable of doing so.
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
Picayune MS
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
Many idiots on here talking about size, Frank Howard was bigger than Bo Jackson & Frank Thomas, but never hit the Home Runs Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays hit, Baseball wasn't invented yesterday like many of you think.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28016 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:55 pm to
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Link? I've always read that the hardest thrown ball until the 2000s was 101.8 by Nolan Ryan.



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Stephen Louis Dalkowski (born June 3, 1939[1]), nicknamed Dalko,[2] is an American retired left-handed pitcher. He is sometimes called the fastest pitcher in baseball history and had a fastball that probably exceeded 100 mph (160 km/h). Some experts believed it went as fast as 125 mph (201 km/h), others that his pitches traveled at 120 mph (190 km/h) or less.[3] As no radar gun or other device was available at games to measure the speed of his pitches precisely, the actual top speed of his pitches remains unknown.

Dalkowski's wildness frightened even the bravest of hitters. Ted Williams faced Dalkowski once in a spring training game. "Fastest ever", said Williams. "I never want to face him again."[18] Longtime umpire Doug Harvey also cited Dalkowski as the fastest pitcher he had seen: "Nobody could bring it like he could."[19]

Estimates of Dalkowski's top pitching speed abound. Cal Ripken Sr. guessed that he threw up to 115 miles per hour (185 km/h).[20] Most observers agree that he routinely threw well over 110 miles an hour (177 km/h), and sometimes reached 115 mph (180 km/h).[21] Radar guns, which were used for many years in professional baseball, did not exist when Dalkowski was playing, so the only evidence supporting this level of velocity is anecdotal.



Do you see why you can't trust people's eyewitness accounts? Even "experts" back then were estimating he threw 125 mph?

This Mickey Mantle 565 foot homerun is more of the same horseshite as people claiming Steve Dalkowski threw 125 mph. It's pure fantasy.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:55 pm to
I've read that but there's no definitive fact that discredits mantles homer that's just speculation.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
Yes what you're saying is true abouth those instances but Mantles homer is still recognized as the longest in mlb history by the MLB. Until that changes or that specific homer is disproven it stands. The logic being used to disprove it in this thread is completely false.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:58 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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Baseball wasn't invented yesterday like many of you think.


But but but but but...nutrition, evolution works so quick...in 20 years we will all have a 3rd eye.

I bet you put Mickey Mantle in a room with a bunch of today's players - Mantle is the one who walks out at the end of the day.

Dude was an Ox.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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I've read that but there's no definitive fact that discredits mantles homer that's just speculation.

565 ft is just as much speculation. Do you really not get that?

another example
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One other aspect of misrepresentation should be explored. Again, the vast talents of Herculean Mickey Mantle have been comprised by individuals who have unwittingly perpetrated a hoax. Let it be emphasized that the mighty Mick was undoubtedly one of baseball's all time longest hitters. He was an honest, sometimes even self-effacing individual, who was never known to overstate his accomplishments. It is due to his immense popularity and constant involvement in the tape measure process that he is often thrust into the muddle of misrepresentation. By his own account he hit the longest home run of his career on May 22, 1963 at Yankee Stadium. The ball struck the facade on the right-field roof approximately 370 feet from home plate and 115 feet above field level. Almost everyone in attendance believed that the ball was still rising when it was interrupted in midflight by the roof structure. Based upon that belief, this drive has commonly been estimated at about 620 feet if left unimpeded. However, the reality is that the ball was already on its way down, and those reporting the trajectory were victimized by a common optical illusion. It is a scientific fact that if Mantle, or anyone else, had sufficient strength to hit a ball that was still traveling upward when it met the towering facade, he would also have enough strength to clear that same facade by a distance of at least 100 feet. In order for the ball to be rising at roof level, it would have to have been traveling at a lower angle than that which produces maximum distance. If Mantle had provided the same power or velocity, but had launched the ball at a higher and more efficient angle, it would have passed out of Yankee Stadium at a height of over 200 feet! Mantle hit the facade on two or perhaps three occasions, but never cleared it. By his own admission, during his 18-year career at Yankee Stadium, which included thousands of swing variables, he hit several balls to right field in an optimum manner. If he had the power to clear the roof by over 100 feet, he surely would have cleared it marginally on many occasions.

Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28016 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:58 pm to
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Yes what you're saying is true abouth those instances but Mantles homer is still recognized as the longest in mlb history by the MLB. Until that changes or that specific homer is disproven it stands.
It doesn't matter what the mlb recognizes, it only matters what happened in reality. The MLB can say he hit the ball a million feet. It doesn't change what actually happened in reality on that day.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:00 pm to
Ok you're being ridiculous now. And yes it matters what the mlb says they're the league they are the keepers of the records history and accomplishments if pro baseball.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:01 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:09 pm to
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Ok you're being ridiculous now. And yes it matters what the mlb says they're the league they are the keepers of the records history and accomplishments if pro baseball.

there are some records that are not up for debate. For instance. Barry Bonds hit 762 home runs. That is a number that is easily quantifiable. We know he hoit 762 home runs. How far someone hit a baseball when it didn't land on the ground on a clear path is not something easily quantifiable. When you take that same homerun and have no video evidence to have any basis to gauge launch angle, exit velocity, etc, then that number becomes more and more questionable. Mantle's home run is based more on eye witness account than actual verifiable proof. That is why people are questioning the accuracy of it. Just because MLB currently recognizes that as the longest home run hit does not make that calculation infallible. I think you are having a difficult time separating the two. That or understanding what is being argued.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44894 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:16 pm to
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Many idiots on here talking about size, Frank Howard was bigger than Bo Jackson & Frank Thomas, but never hit the Home Runs Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays hit, Baseball wasn't invented yesterday like many of you think.



Cecil Fielder was the third player, and only Detroit Tiger, to homer over TIger Stadium's left field roof. Harmon Killebrew (1962) and Frank Howard (1968) accomplished it before him, and Mark McGwire was the fourth and last player to homer over the roof in left field in 1997.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39415 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:29 pm to
There are more fat and way more out of shape players in today's MLB than has ever existed in its history.

Guys used to be thin and muscular - not fat tubs of McDonalds lard.

With the obseity epidemic and the terrible food people eat...to say players are better athletes today without reservation is absurd.

There are some bad eating, bad habits, tubs of goo out there.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:29 pm to
The crux of the argument is that since bigger guys haven't done it it's impossible for Mantle to have hit a ball 565 feet. Jose Casecos homer at skydome was the most impressive homer I've ever seen live. It traveled 484 feet and was on its way up when a structure stopped it, don't you think that ball or balls like it could've passed 565? Judge hit one 513 that hit a wall last night who knows if that ball couldn't have traveled another 50 feet. Now as to weather Mantle couldn't have done this even though he's hit the top railing at Yankee stadium. Mike Tyson at 5-10 220lbs produced more power than other elite level boxers 6-6 to 6-9 and 50+ lbs heavier than him, tiger woods at 140 produced more swing speed than guys 100lbs heavier john daly wasn't even 200lbs when he won his first major hitting balls 70yards past the field. By your logic how are those things possible but Mantles home run impossible?
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:35 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:36 pm to
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The crux of the argument is that since bigger guys haven't done it it's impossible for Mantle to have hit a ball 565 feet.

The crux of the argument is that I don't believe it is humanly possible to hit a baseball 565 feet unless you have a 40 mph wind behind you
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was on its way up when a structure stopped it,

No it wasn't. This right here is how these numbers get embellished over time. That canseco homerun was not measured from home plate. 484 was the estimated flight based on the arc and where it landed in the stadium. 484 is the estimation had it landed on the ground
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Judge hit one 513 that hit a wall last night who knows if that ball couldn't have traveled another 50 feet.

Again that is an estimation based on launch angle and exit velocity. 513 is not how far it was from home plate
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By your logic how are those things possible?

Why are you saying my logic? Nowhere have I said that
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:38 pm to
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Guys used to be thin and muscular - not fat tubs of McDonalds lard.


Doubling down on stupid, huh?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:39 pm to
Ah now that's a good point did Mantles homer have a big wind behind it, how did that park funnel wind in the spot the ball was hit was that particular ball wound tighter is there more pollutants in the air now making it heavier and harder for balls to travel as far lol. I know I'm messing around but there are variables being ignored and maybe what I said before isn't your logic but it's the logic mostly being used in the argument hire supporting.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:39 pm to
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Judge hit one 513 that hit a wall last night who knows if that ball couldn't have traveled another 50 feet.

Thanks for confirming you're clueless
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:40 pm to
Wow you're stupid but continue with the insults it's all you have going for you.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:41 pm to
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but it's the logic mostly being used in the argument hire supporting.

Then don't attribute someone else's argument to my argument. Thanks
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there are variables being ignored

There are variables you're ignoring as well. Like the pretty obvious inherent unreliability of the methods used to measure homeruns that long ago. And just so you don't get all flustered, unreliable does not necessarily mean wrong
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:43 pm
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