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re: Micheal Jordan ESPN conversation after MNF
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:It had no chance from the beginning. Im only here to state the simple fact that defense is so much better now. That cant be argued if you actually watch the game. Go watch 1980s games. Sure they have goons that will punch you, but the team defense is almost non existent
Not even going to touch this thread, love how it turned into MJ vs Lebron in no time.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:33 am to Roger Klarvin
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There isn't a single drop of insecurity in Michael Jordan's whole body.
His entire career was predicated on his insecurities.
Do you know this degen flew his high school coach that cut him up to Chicago just to publicly humiliate him in front of the United Center crowd?? What kind of person does that?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
Well you can zone now so thats why defense has changed so much. Its also why big men have died out on offense and guards have become more important. Rules of the game changed
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:34 am to Roger Klarvin
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Lebron can never surpass Jordan IMO, for several reasons.
First, Lebron left Cleveland to join an all-star cast in order to win a title...and still failed in their first go 'round against an inferior ragtag bunch from Dallas.
Second, Jordan played in an era where defenders were allowed to maul players around the basket. The Jordan rules used by the Pistons would make Lebron's arse quit like a bitch, and the defenders employing it would get ejected in today's game. Jordan's points where MUCH tougher to earn game in and game out.
Finally, Jordan was just flat out tougher. Lebron, for all his skill, has a lot of bitch in him. He has gotten better at suppressing it, but it still rises up when adversity hits every now and then.
Lebron has more raw talent, but he'll never be MJ.
only thing i will add is that jordan got a lot of calls from the refs.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
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but the team defense is almost non existent
well they had to play man to man
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:38 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I know. Exactly my point that people sound like absolute idiots when they say defense was better back then and guys like Lebron wouldnt have been able to score
well they had to play man to man
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
I dont think people say who couldn't score they question if he would get tired of taking big hits and just settle for jump shots because even tho had to play man the paint was a Much rougher area. Now a hard foul even fans scream for suspensions.
I think he would be just as good tho and I think mj would have even better stats than he did in todays game
I think he would be just as good tho and I think mj would have even better stats than he did in todays game
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:41 am to StraightCashHomey21
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well they had to play man to man
...which would make it easier for the athletically superior to score.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:42 am to fightingtiger2335
quote:
Well you can zone now
the elite Ds still play man
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Its also why big men have died out on offense
this is a myth
but the reason the NBA doesn't rely on low post guys is efficiency. unless you have a shaq, it's not efficient to rely on low post guys
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:43 am to fightingtiger2335
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they question if he would get tired of taking big hits
they wouldn't be "big" b/c they would be weaklings compared to lebron. again, this is a myth
kevin mchale or bill lambeer isn't going to intimidate lebron, physically
plus flip that around and imagine what kind of monster lebron would be if he were allowed to hit those weaklings down low. he'd be even better on D
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Its not a myth. It makes plenty of sense in a non zone to go to a big man to suck a d in and have cutting guards
Todays game ill believe it but its not a myth it died out as the zone came in the league
Todays game ill believe it but its not a myth it died out as the zone came in the league
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:47 am to fightingtiger2335
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Todays game ill believe it but its not a myth it died out as the zone came in the league
big men who score down low aren't even dead. that's the myth
and the transition occurred well before zones were legalized. dirk had a lot more to do with it than zone Ds
low post offense is simply not efficient. hell even if you do have a shaq, run the #s. a 57%FG guy is not going to score as much per 100 shots as a 40%3PT guy. and that's dealing with the best of the best. when your low post guy is shooting more like 50% (and is not a dependable FT guy), the gap widens (even if the shooter never drives)
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:48 am to Roger Klarvin
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Lebron, for all his skill, has a lot of bitch in him. He has gotten better at suppressing it, but it still rises up when adversity hits every now and then.
Yeah it's mostly a generational thing.
Lebron's generation is generally self-absorbed. The modern athlete does have the same tough attitude and conviction like MJ's era had (see 80s Pistons). High profile basketball players today are coddled bitches from grade school onward. MJ was never Lebron status in high-school or college before he got to the NBA. Hell, he wasn't even the first pick in the NBA draft.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
A smaller guy can lay a physical hit. Once you're in the air a grown male athlete will be able to knock someone down. Dont act like its Jr high kids in the paint
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
So a in prime shaq hurts his team now.....
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:49 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Your opinion is wrong.
Jordan would have had a couple years of averaging 40+ PPG if he had played by today's rules IMO.
Jordan would have trouble under today's rules, and have to change his game dramatically. It is a jump shooters league now.
Jordan never had to play against an entire team (ie zone defense). Zone defenses were illegal in Jordan's day.
Shaq would have never been in the convo for top-5 center of all time under today's rules.
The reality is opposite of what you present:
Under Jordan's rules LeBron would average 40+ ppg. . .because who could guard him man-man?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:50 am to Roaad
They changed the rules because kf shaq...and he was still dominant
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:52 am to fightingtiger2335
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A smaller guy can lay a physical hit.
sure, but he's going to get a lot more than he gives with a guy like lebron. it's just a silly argument
esp when you watch the trapping, switching, flexing, hedging that you see in modern MAN defense. man d is vastly superior today
a few cheap shots doesn't negate that
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:the zone was meant to put an end to Allen Iverson and Shaq.
this is a myth
but the reason the NBA doesn't rely on low post guys is efficiency. unless you have a shaq, it's not efficient to rely on low post guys
slash scorers and physical presences were becoming the new NBA, and the commish was not a fan. He wanted more Reggie Millers, less Wilt Chamberlains.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:52 am to fightingtiger2335
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So a in prime shaq hurts his team now.....
he likely wouldn't get the same # of FGA these days, esp if he didn't improve on his FT%
and he's the absolute peak of big man post play in the NBA
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