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re: Michael Vick's advice for Colin Kaepernick? 'Just go clean-cut'

Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:32 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:32 am to
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so he is mad because he protested the anthem and the flag, which the military is sworn to defend the rights of a country built on free speech and peaceful protest.
got it.

that's not really ironic

now if Tbird had said that this should be illegal, then it'd be ironic

this is the obfuscation of the whole Kap thing. just because something is legal doesn't mean people have to accept/like it
Posted by LSUMastermind
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:35 am to
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they didn't get in trouble for this

but Kap couldn't settle for being part of a group collaboration or doing something accepted. he had to do something groundbreaking where the spotlight would be on him. well he got it. now he has to live with the response

and he has to live without having a job as well, he also is a hypocrite, by not voting, which is how you show your protest as well. I never said I agree with his stance, I am defending his right to do it and point out the hypocrisy by saying he pissed the military off, etc..


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i don't mind the BLM stance on black killings but the problem is they are huge attention whores and HOW they go about their bullshite is just infuriating. now i get that's the point, because their argument alone isn't worthy of the attention they seek, BUT, it detracts from their message to a large degree

Black Lives Matter group is a hoax, young people with no idea and little moral fabric to understand what they are doing and how they are doing it is actually hurting their message. The name of the group is affront to their message and how much they ignore black lives really mattering in inner cities, where kids cant walk outside.
its all bullshite.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:38 am to
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and he has to live without having a job

not A job, a very rare job that is hard to get

also, he opted out. he would have had that rare job this year if he wanted one



Posted by shel311
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:39 am to
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now i get that's the point, because their argument alone isn't worthy of the attention they seek, BUT, it detracts from their message to a large degree
The most annoying part is when the protests that turn into riots and/or violence under the guise of, "that's the only way for us to be heard or taken seriously."
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 8:40 am
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:42 am to
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but Kap couldn't settle for being part of a group collaboration or doing something accepted. he had to do something groundbreaking where the spotlight would be on him. well he got it. now he has to live with the response


He did have other NFL players get into the act though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:43 am to
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The most annoying part is when the protests that turn into riots and/or violence under the guise of, "that's the only way for us to be heard or taken seriously."

honestly, my most annoying aspect of their attention whoring is when they close down roads

it's just a self fulfilling prophecy. they know they have to do something major and terrible to get a reaction, and then they spin it as "see they don't want to hear our message"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:44 am to
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He did have other NFL players get into the act though.

yes but when they did it, it was BECAUSE of him

the media would almost always reference how HE started it
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:48 am to
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I never said I agree with his stance, I am defending his right to do it and point out the hypocrisy by saying he pissed the military off, etc..



At the end of the day, his juice ain't worth the squeeze.

If he could complete 68% of his passes and throw 30 tds to only 12 INT...he'd be starting week 1.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:51 am to
hell if he'd be willing to work for the vet minimum, he'd have a job i reckon
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:52 am to
I don't think so.

No team wants the back up QB creating a stir in the locker room.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:44 am to
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didnt know Kap said f the military too.

He refused to stand for the Veteran's Day Military appreciation, even though most of the other players kneeling at least stood in respect for those who fought for their right to protest.

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The irony here is astounding.

Protests "tyranny" while wearing a dictator's face on his chest. Protests political inequality, but doesn't vote. Protests unfair advantages but was raised upper middle class in a lily white area. Points to a handful of shootings that juries who saw all the evidence said were justified, to vilify police. Does not point a finger at a culture wear young men and women are gunned down at rates that rival third world countries.

I have zero issue with Kaep kneeling or voicing his opinions. My issue is that he has zero awareness. He doesn't realize he is talking out of both sides of his mouth with some of the ironic things he is doing. It's also my problem with a lot of the BLM movement. If a smidgen of the effort given towards the handful of questionable police shootings were given to thousands of young men and women killed then maybe the effort would seem genuine. You can't make a public outcry over a child molesting felon reaching for a gun and just let the honor roll student walking home gunned down be ok.

Bryant Lee and Alton Sterling, if you know the latter, but not the former or care more about his death then consider yourself part of the problem.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:13 am to
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so he is mad because he protested the anthem and the flag


Wrong.

My point is that Kaep is a fraud.

Yes, I was in the military (as were my parents and my wife). Yes, I have a polar opposite ethos when it comes to rendering respect for the flag. Yes, Kaep's chosen method of protest flew in the face of that ethos and that of many who have fought alongside those who loved and shed blood for that flag.

That aside, though, not once have I posited that his actions were illegal or suggested that his right to protest should be curtailed. My disagreement with his method does not mean that I believe he should be summarily silenced.

That said, damn right he will get zero sympathy from me when those who share my ethos and business sense hold him accountable for his grandstanding for spurious causes. No one can take away your right to protest, but no one has to be forced to sit there and support your monkeyshines, either. Hell, same logic applied to Tebow. Great guy with whom I agree politically and religiously, but a mediocre to bad QB who brings too much baggage/attention for a backup.

Long story short, frick Kaep's method of protest, frick his foolhardy causes, frick his hypocrisy and ignorance when it comes to politics and law enforcement, and frick his efforts to get back in the NFL
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:18 am to
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I have zero issue with Kaep kneeling or voicing his opinions. My issue is that he has zero awareness. He doesn't realize he is talking out of both sides of his mouth with some of the ironic things he is doing. It's also my problem with a lot of the BLM movement. If a smidgen of the effort given towards the handful of questionable police shootings were given to thousands of young men and women killed then maybe the effort would seem genuine. You can't make a public outcry over a child molesting felon reaching for a gun and just let the honor roll student walking home gunned down be ok.


already said all of this. I said he cant have it both ways. same could be said about Castille and NRA hypocrisy.

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Black Lives Matter group is a hoax, young people with no idea and little moral fabric to understand what they are doing and how they are doing it is actually hurting their message. The name of the group is affront to their message and how much they ignore black lives really mattering in inner cities, where kids cant walk outside.
its all bullshite.


This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:20 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134093 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:20 am to
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you go out of your way on this forum to be "that different type"


I'm exactly the same way on here that I am in real life. Short social media search will bear that out, clown.

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you are actually upset about someone expressing themselves through protest


Incorrect. See my previous post and quit making assumptions.
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
Member since Jun 2008
897 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:21 am to
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I'm exactly the same way on here that I am in real life. Short social media search will bear that out, clown.

thats wasnt my point, im sure you are geniune...bitch
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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134093 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:25 am to
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im sure you are geniune


If I'm genuine, then I'm not "going out of my way."
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
Member since Jun 2008
897 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:25 am to
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Incorrect. See my previous post and quit making assumptions.


your insinuation was that he should stop talking about racism, so it can magically disappear, thats the real clown whit.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:27 am
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
Member since Jun 2008
897 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:26 am to
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If I'm genuine, then I'm not "going out of my way."

i hope the pat on the back felt good.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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134093 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:27 am to
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you insinuation was that he should stop talking about racism


Nope. Not at all. Never even came close to intimating such. I said quite clearly that his right to protest wasn't something to be infringed upon.

Elevate your reading comprehension, please.
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
Member since Jun 2008
897 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:28 am to
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It's almost as if such people.....WANT....to keep the waters of racial unrest churning away.

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