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re: Michael Jordan decided to do this documentary on the day of the Cavs’ championship parade
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:51 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:51 pm to saintsfan22
quote:I think Kobe was a wannabe and fake in that regard. He tried to be like Jordan, but in many ways he was the complete opposite: behind closed doors Jordan’s true vindictiveness and insufferableness really shined whereas Kobe seemed to be quite a bit more fun and friendly behind closed doors.
Kobe was kinda the same and Lakers fans will stone you if you talk bad about him on social media.
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:59 pm to buckeye_vol
I grew up an mj fan, will tell you til this day mj is not only my fav nba player, but fav athlete of all time. I have a framed mj game winner ncaa champ pic in my man cave..... but im also not blind. Lebron is the far superior player. Lebron can do everything mj can do, but mj cant do everything lebron can do (both in primes). But its a different era, players are bigger, faster, stronger now.. and lebron is just far superior athlete
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:00 pm to buckeye_vol
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whereas Kobe seemed to be quite a bit more fun and friendly behind closed doors.
Smush Parker and Dwight would disagree. I could see it with Dwight because he had great potential but Smush was just a dude and Kobe shite talked him for years.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:13 pm to WestCoastAg
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unless you're lebron
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:20 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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hell he's probably not even top 5
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:28 pm to Jcorye1
I’ve thought the same for a very long time.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:17 pm to 504Voodoo
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It’s been well documented that he was a jerk to kids asking for his autograph. In some cases, he was so rude to the point where he would make some kids cry.
Yep. I as a kid being told no autographs at Mike Jordan basketball camp at UNO lakefront arena
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:06 pm to David Ricky
“Great read”
Lmfao!!!
Lmfao!!!
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:22 pm to buckeye_vol
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I think Kobe was a wannabe and fake in that regard. He tried to be like Jordan, but in many ways he was the complete opposite: behind closed doors Jordan’s true vindictiveness and insufferableness really shined whereas Kobe seemed to be quite a bit more fun and friendly behind closed doors.
I'm no Kobe (RIP) or Laker hater, but I've always thought there was a lot of fake try-hard-ness with him in that regard, and that his on-court persona was just a facade because of his obsession with being like or replacing Jordan. Similar to kids who mimic their favorite baseball player's batting stance, swing or throwing motion. Kobe was very into branding, as evidenced by the Mamba stuff and number change.
However, like you said, I don't think Kobe was like that deep down. He was renowned as a good family man (Colorado aside, of course) and great dad, and he was also a legitimately intellectually curious person and in retirement had gotten into tech startup VC and all kinds of different projects. His film won an Oscar. Bill Simmons mentioned on his podcast that Kobe called him out of the blue one day because he was on a reading binge about leadership, and he picked Simmons' brain for a few hours or so on the subject. It sounds cliche, but Kobe was going to do great things in retirement because he was on a quest to become "more than just a basketball player," but not in the fake "I want to craft a narrative" way in which LeBron is.
But that's not Jordan. Again, it's a cliche, but what made Jordan so great at the sport of basketball and brought him to such heights has also bedeviled him in his personal life and in retirement. He's become the Michael Corleone of basketball. His pettiness, his vindictive nature, and his inability to get past any slight, real or imagined, seems to stay with him. He brought both his high school coach and the player who made that varsity team over him to his HoF induction to humiliate them publicly. He called people out. He said he felt sorry for his kids because they'd never measure up. That's downright sad.
I'm not a big Wright Thompson fan, but his longform piece on Jordan a few years ago paints an incredibly pitiful picture of one of the greatest athletes ever. This quote says it all:
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Jordan reads the things written about him, the fuel arriving in a packet of clips his staff prepares. He knows what people say. He needs to know, a needle for a hungry vein. There's a palpable simmering whenever you're around Jordan, as if Air Jordan is still in there, churning, trying to escape. It must be strange to be locked in combat with the ghost of your former self.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:56 pm to Jcorye1
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From all accounts, he is a vindictive, spiteful a-hole, who cannot control his own competitive impulses.
Would take this over LeSoft any day of the week.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:57 pm to ThePTExperience1969
What’s funny is these superior intellects never even stop to ask why certain eras are covered the way they are by modern media or why the script never has a B side. Every current player is a saint, forget guys going into the stands to berate children and women just for cheering, forget the malice in the palace, forget LeBrons hate crime hoax. No it’s MJ and that era who were the real scumbags regardless of 90% of these softball stories being made up. It never even dawns on the brilliant sports minds of the MSB that every era is shown in one specific light at the time they’re playing then the media does a 180 on them later to prop up the next group lol. But then again these are the same people who’ll say “Nobody from the pre-2000 era could start for a single team in today’s NBA” then in the very next sentence they’ll say “Jordan only won more than LeBron because he had more talent to work with”
You can’t make this shite up
You can’t make this shite up
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:03 pm to BananaHammock
Plus the fact that “by all accounts” is as incorrect, hyperbolic and fabricated as humanly possible. It’s telling that an entire fanbase has completely abandoned presenting their guys case and instead has stooped to an endless smear campaign. They don’t even realize that by needing to knock someone down in order to have their guy become #1 proves that their guy isn’t #1.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:19 pm to buckeye_vol
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I think Kobe was a wannabe and fake in that regard.
He was kinda soft and corny. Later in his career people seemed to have forgot he got punched in the face by Chris Childs, He cried when he got booed at the all star game in Philadelphia, and he cried in the bench when the Pistons beat that arse.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:01 am to David Ricky
No class.
Dr. J had class (met him at the AT&T); Ali had class (met him as a kid.)
Jordan is a sociopath which is why he's also the greatest basketball player of all-time.
But you can be great and not be petty, vindictive, outrageous competitive drive...but maybe Jordan couldn't.
Dr. J had class (met him at the AT&T); Ali had class (met him as a kid.)
Jordan is a sociopath which is why he's also the greatest basketball player of all-time.
But you can be great and not be petty, vindictive, outrageous competitive drive...but maybe Jordan couldn't.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:32 am to David Ricky
Growing up in the 90s, MJ was the standard and King. It was hard to go anywhere without having the Bulls thrown in your face.
As a Magic fan I despised him and envied his talents as I wish our team would have had more success against him. We did beat him in 95, which was special as a 11 year old kid. It was like beating Goliath.
As I get older, I appreciate Jordan more. Man was a machine.
But I also can’t stand rooting for a team on top because they’re on top. There is a keen satisfaction to seeing your team beat the best and rooting against the best. It just makes it interesting and in the NBA, I felt more vested in my teams successes. I was really engaged with the NBA until about 2004, when for some reason the Melee in the Palace kind of turned me off to things. It just didn’t seem to have the same magic as it did when I was a kid. It became too real I suppose in some cases. Last vestiges of childhood kind of fading away.
That having been said, it was a different era where only thing in play was on the court. I couldn’t have abided LeBron and the way the players push themselves beyond the limits of the court are nauseating. I don’t believe I could have been the same fan.
As a Magic fan I despised him and envied his talents as I wish our team would have had more success against him. We did beat him in 95, which was special as a 11 year old kid. It was like beating Goliath.
As I get older, I appreciate Jordan more. Man was a machine.
But I also can’t stand rooting for a team on top because they’re on top. There is a keen satisfaction to seeing your team beat the best and rooting against the best. It just makes it interesting and in the NBA, I felt more vested in my teams successes. I was really engaged with the NBA until about 2004, when for some reason the Melee in the Palace kind of turned me off to things. It just didn’t seem to have the same magic as it did when I was a kid. It became too real I suppose in some cases. Last vestiges of childhood kind of fading away.
That having been said, it was a different era where only thing in play was on the court. I couldn’t have abided LeBron and the way the players push themselves beyond the limits of the court are nauseating. I don’t believe I could have been the same fan.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:35 am to DiamondDog
I first became a Jordan fan when he was at North Carolina. Dean Smith would go to the 4 corners late in the ball game and Jordan would just crush from the baseline. He didnt even seem human to me.
During his time in the NBA I made it a point to watch every game of his that was on TV. Back in the day the Bulls were on WGN a lot, so I got to see him all the time. There ha never been any other player that I have ever watched in any sport that was so much more dominant than his contemporaries. The excitement he brought was off the charts.
After he retired I stopped watching the NBA besides for an occasional playoff game. Nobody in today's game brings the type of showmanship he brought. LeBron is more physically gifted, but Jordan wasn't human. The biggest difference to me is LeBron wants to be liked while Jordan just wanted to kick arse and could care less what people thought of him. Simply put Jordan is the greatest competitor we will ever see in our lifetimes.
During his time in the NBA I made it a point to watch every game of his that was on TV. Back in the day the Bulls were on WGN a lot, so I got to see him all the time. There ha never been any other player that I have ever watched in any sport that was so much more dominant than his contemporaries. The excitement he brought was off the charts.
After he retired I stopped watching the NBA besides for an occasional playoff game. Nobody in today's game brings the type of showmanship he brought. LeBron is more physically gifted, but Jordan wasn't human. The biggest difference to me is LeBron wants to be liked while Jordan just wanted to kick arse and could care less what people thought of him. Simply put Jordan is the greatest competitor we will ever see in our lifetimes.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:41 am to MF Doom
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Fans liking two of the best players of all time is pretty normal in any sport
I agree. Most people are followers
Nice hipster logic you have going there.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:10 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Serious question...
LeBron's not the GOAT hell he's probably not even top 5, he's gonna have to win 4 straight titles to end his career to even have a viable argument when it's all said and done
What made you go from knighting for Lebron to posts like this? I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 7:56 am to DownSouthCrawfish
LeBron just rubs me the wrong way. Such a try hard. It’s hard to fathom being as insecure as he is when he is one of the most recognizable faces on earth and one of the best ever.
His being a chicom lover doesn’t help either.
As far as the doc - can’t wait.
His being a chicom lover doesn’t help either.
As far as the doc - can’t wait.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:48 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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What made you go from knighting for Lebron to posts like this? I'm genuinely curious.
Revisiting and regaining my appreciation for the Golden Age of the NBA and the nonsense LeBron pulled during the 2019 season, really started after Christmas when he "pulled his groin," just super beta and lame
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