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re: Matthew Tkachuk out for considerable period after Four Nations injury
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:48 am to lsupride87
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:48 am to lsupride87
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Old people and others want to try and compare NHL and NBA players “love for the game” etc, but the money is so different it’s apples to boulders in terms of comparison
The day of the Four Nations final, the NBA had three major stories that afternoon. Spurs announced that Wembanyama was out for the season with a blood clot in his shoulder, Anthony Davis was out at least two more weeks because of a muscle pull (and because he is Anthony Davis), and another player was out until April for a drug suspension. In the case of Wembanyama, I realize the kid is a freak at 7'6" and the blood clot is no fault of his own, but the three main NBA stories all concern players missing games, two with off-court issues, and a third who misses more games than he plays with anything more than a hang nail.
Matthew Tkachuk played a "meaningless game" while injured and started a fist fight 3 seconds into one.
So, regardless of money, you do have a point with the no comparison comment.
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:53 am to Corinthians420
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1.59 million out of 65 million total views is a bigger piece of the pie than 2.5 million out of 112 million
This is the only argument that makes any sense to me, but if the total number of viewers keeps going down, absolute values have to matter at some point.
It just seems to me you can’t keep abusing the consumer why also pricing them out and it lasts forever. You’ve made attending in person and merchandise so expensive that people can’t afford it and the we’ve got the aforementioned problems with the game itself. We’ll see, really interesting to me.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 12:20 pm to Corinthians420
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Live sports are the only thing worth paying for the rights to because nobody watches other stuff live.
I believe this is what is driving all sports TV deals.
When was the last time you watched non-live television and sat thru commercials? It its not live, its either pre-recorded or watched on a10-20 minute delay. Either way, people are fast forwarding thru commercials. Live sports is the only way to ensure advertisers of a captive audience.
Throw in the gold standard for target audiences (18-35 yr old males) and the outrageous TV deals make a little more sense.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 12:22 pm to TheWalrus
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Everyone in the NBA is always hurt anyway.
Embiid has played 19 out of 56 games. Does it really matter how he hurt it if he never plays anyway?
Whether its in a pointless midseason game or a pointless all star game.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:22 pm to lsupride87
Remember that moment in time when the hot take was “the NBA would soon overtake the NFL as the #1 sport”
Good times…good times
Good times…good times
Posted on 2/25/25 at 10:32 am to chalmetteowl
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but the players making too much money (and fully guaranteed) is part of what’s ruining the NBA
The players are making about the same amount of the gross revenue that they've made for probably 40 years.
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like the stars deserve their money but no one’s going to games to watch the middle class of players
That's an issue with their max salaries
Posted on 2/25/25 at 10:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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that deal comes to an end at some point no?
2027, I believe.
And people made the same arguments you just made prior to this latest deal, FWIW
Posted on 2/25/25 at 10:40 am to Basura Blanco
I hadn't thought about it, but this makes a lot of sense. I just wish in person live events were reducing in prices, I miss going to concerts.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 10:41 am to Jcorye1
Yes the live aspect of sports if why the rights deals are so expensive with declining viewers/eyeballs.
Nothing else guarantees live viewing.
Nothing else guarantees live viewing.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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The players are making about the same amount of the gross revenue that they've made for probably 40 years.
I think you meant percentage.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:23 am to Wally Sparks
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I think you meant percentage.
I thought "amount of the gross revenue" would signal that, but yes that is a relatively steady % that hasn't shifted more than a point or 2 in 40 years.
For everyone who says players are making too much, they seem to be ignoring the owners' half
Per Google AI, the NHL players actually get a much larger (57%) share of the revenue. That just signals how unpopular and unwatched the NHL is more than anything
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
The NBA’s problem is also the offseason and trade drama surpassed the actual product, which worked for them for a while and they road that wave mistaking it for sustainable popularity but player entitlement got out of control and the general audience checked out. When the backstage stuff upstages the play itself, you’ve become professional wrestling.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:51 am to BilJ
There is a lot of temporal overlap in sort of a synchronicity. Around the same time, players and the league truly realized the value of elite players, which increased their power. People blame Lebron, but it really just happened when he became the star of the NBA. Also, at this exact time, you had the conflation of internet-related variables (Social media, streaming, etc.). So at the very same time that the league was dealing with reconceptualizing the value of elite players, social media changed how we consumed sports content and media related to sports content. The NBA was at the front of this, both in terms of social media and streaming (NBA League Pass was revolutionary).
Then a few years later, after this all took hold, the Warriors and Morey led the way in solving the NBA on the court, which led to a bland league where everyone has to play the same way. It's similar to poker. Back in the day when it was less solved, it was much more palatable to normal people and we had the poker boom. You had different styles and personalities. Now, it's been so solved that if you don't play super GTO you're at a huge disadvantage and when everyone is playing GTO poker it's inherently boring.
Then a few years later, after this all took hold, the Warriors and Morey led the way in solving the NBA on the court, which led to a bland league where everyone has to play the same way. It's similar to poker. Back in the day when it was less solved, it was much more palatable to normal people and we had the poker boom. You had different styles and personalities. Now, it's been so solved that if you don't play super GTO you're at a huge disadvantage and when everyone is playing GTO poker it's inherently boring.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:were they around first or was it NFL Sunday Ticket?
NBA League Pass was revolutionary)
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:48 pm to chalmetteowl
Sunday Ticket was first, but over cable. I think their streaming version was years after League Pass.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 4:12 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I’d like baseball games with more on the line and with better pitching matchups. Less games would help, wouldn’t it?
I'd like to see baseball and basketball decrease the number of teams in the playoffs. Especially basketball. That's why players are so much less incentivized to play in more games. If it's not going to really affect whether your team is in the playoffs, who cares. Baseball needs to go back to 4 teams from each league, 3 division winners plus one wild-card. All the play in stuff is stupid and ridiculous. The NBA also needs to go 4 teams from each conference making the playoffs. It is utterly absurd that 20 of the 30 teams in the NBA will make the postseason in some form. It was bad enough when 16 of the 30 teams made it. You start making it more difficult to make the postseason, players will stop the load management bullshite and start playing in more games.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 4:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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People blame Lebron, but it really just happened when he became the star of the NBA.
It started with Bird and Magic… it didn’t become LeBron’s league until he joined the Heat
Posted on 2/26/25 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is a lot of temporal overlap in sort of a synchronicity.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 6:56 am to chalmetteowl
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It started with Bird and Magic
The star-driven league started with them, yes, but their power compared to the realization of player value/power the mid-00s is nothing close to the same.
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it didn’t become LeBron’s league until he joined the Heat
The fact that the Decision, as stupid as it was, was such a big deal, proves this isn't true. He hadn't been traded to the Heat yet.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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The latest NBA media deal that was just signed pays them 2.5-3x the old one.
This though there has to already be some buyers remorse there
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