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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:33 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:33 pm to theunknownknight
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It amazes me how little people ACTUALLY know about Brees.
Which tells you why he's never in the discussion for greatest ever.
It's always been a Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady debate. Aaron Rodgers has been inserted in there a few times. But Drew Brees's name hardly ever comes up. I personally think that's a travesty but it's difficult to hype up a guy who has a career record of 131-101 as a QB.
He's also only one of two QBs in the list of Top 10 winningest signal callers to have a winning percentage less than 60% (Fran Tarkenton being the other).
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:38 pm
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:36 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And we have shown you why
Which tells you why he's never in the discussion for greatest ever.
It's always been a Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady debate. Aaron Rodgers has been inserted in there a few times. But Drew Brees's name hardly ever comes up. I personally think that's a travesty but it's difficult to hype up a guy who has a career record of 131-101 as a QB.
He's also the only QB in the list of Top 10 winningest signal callers to have a winning percentage less than 60%.
His average defensive ranking is worse than Tom Brady's worst ever defense. Think about that
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:39 pm to lsupride87
Well if brees had a better d he wouldn't have the counting stats. So can't have it both ways bubba. He's a stat accumulator that's his legacy. Gonna end his career with x straight losing seasons. 5,6 what?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:40 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Explain how this makes sense, when Brees averages 37 pass attempts per game, and Brady 35
Well if brees had a better d he wouldn't have the counting stats. So can't have it both ways bubba. He's a stat accumulator that's his legacy. Gonna end his career with x straight losing seasons. 5,6 what?
Where is all the extra accumulation attempts/stats coming from?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:43 pm to lsupride87
If a team is up two tds in the 4th qtr they throw the ball less than they would if they were down two tds. This is novice level stuff bro.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:44 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Yet, they are only seperated by 2 pass attempts per game.....
If a team is up two tds in the 4th qtr they throw the ball less than they would if they were down two tds. This is novice level stuff bro.
Holy shite you are dumb
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:45 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
LINK
Here this combines them all nice and neat for you in one link..
From 06-15 Brees is only ahead of Bradford and Smith.
Now lets see if you can actually figure out the flaws with that method
I'm guessing no
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:46 pm to lsupride87
If Brees had Brady's defense think of all the 4th qtr leads he woulda had.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:47 pm to Boomshockalocka
Now think how that would impact his counting stats.
Damn you're an idiot.
Brees with Brady's d would be sitting out in fourth qtrs bc his team would be up 3-4 scores amirite???
Damn you're an idiot.
Brees with Brady's d would be sitting out in fourth qtrs bc his team would be up 3-4 scores amirite???
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:47 pm to lsupride87
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His average defensive ranking is worse than Tom Brady's worst ever defense. Think about that.
I still don't see why this should penalize or diminish what Brady has accomplished in his career. The average defensive rank for all 51 eventual Super Bowl champions is 6.8.
Offense wins ball games and defense wins championships. This is almost Football 101.
Has Brady been blessed with better defenses throughout his career? For sure. Should that detract from his legacy? No.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:47 pm to TigerBait1127
Nah I'll let you nit pick it. Me and everyone else will laugh at you grasping at straws.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:48 pm to Boomshockalocka
You said Brees stats benefit from him throwing the ball more because his team is down
I show you a factual stat showing one throws it 37 times a game, and one 35
Serious question, are you and rolltide purposely saying things that are opposite of fact
I show you a factual stat showing one throws it 37 times a game, and one 35
Serious question, are you and rolltide purposely saying things that are opposite of fact
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:49 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Holy shite. Who has penalized him? The point is judge him on how he plays qb
I still don't see why this should penalize or diminish what Brady has accomplished in his career. The average defensive rank for all 51 eventual Super Bowl champions is 6.8.
Offense wins ball games and defense wins championships. This is almost Football 101.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:50 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
I still don't see why this should penalize or diminish what Brady has accomplished in his career. The average defensive rank for all 51 eventual Super Bowl champions is 6.8.
Offense wins ball games and defense wins championships. This is almost Football 101.
Has Brady been blessed with better defenses throughout his career? For sure. Should that detract from his legacy? No.
Stop feeding the troll.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:52 pm to lsupride87
quote:
You said Brees stats benefit from him throwing the ball more because his team is down
true, as evidence by his shitty Defense that you point out.
quote:
I show you a factual stat showing one throws it 37 times a game, and one 35
Who cares how many each throw it each game.. how many times a game brady throws the ball has 0 to do with Brees throwing more passes than he would if he had a better Defense, they are totally unrelated.Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:54 pm to lsupride87
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Holy shite. Who has penalized him? The point is judge him on how he plays qb
And he plays QB just as good as Manning, Brees, or Rodgers does. When you have four QBs who play at a similarly high level there has to be some underlying metric that puts one of them over the top. For better or for worse, most analysts of the game use championships to do that.
Tom Brady, over the course of his career, has led the Patriots to 14 division championships, 11 AFC Championship Game appearances, 7 AFC Championships, 7 Super Bowl appearances, and 5 Super Bowl championships - with 4 Super Bowl MVPs as icing on top.
He also is 3 games from becoming the all-time winningest QB in NFL history while winning almost 78% of his games in the process. Team accomplishments or no, that is how you separate a group of players who play close to the same level.
I don't care if you disagree with me or not, fact of the matter is, you all are pretty much in the minority.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
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And he plays QB just as good as Manning, Brees, or Rodgers does. When you have four QBs who play at a similarly high level there has to be some underlying metric that puts one of them over the top. For better or for worse, most analysts of the game use championships to do that.
Tom Brady, over the course of his career, has led the Patriots to 14 division championships, 11 AFC Championship Game appearances, 7 AFC Championships, 7 Super Bowl appearances, and 5 Super Bowl championships - with 4 Super Bowl MVPs as icing on top.
He also is 3 games from becoming the all-time winningest QB in NFL history while winning almost 78% of his games in the process. Team accomplishments or no, that is how you separate a group of players who play close to the same level.
I don't care if you disagree with me or not, fact of the matter is, you all are pretty much in the minority.
Just link him the poll of 36000 votes that has Brady #1 and Peyton #5.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And I am simply saying that doesn't make sense. No more, no less.
And he plays QB just as good as Manning, Brees, or Rodgers does. When you have four QBs who play at a similarly high level there has to be some underlying metric that puts one of them over the top. For better or for worse, most analysts of the game use championships to do that.
Brady absolutely is an all timer. Not once have you even asked where I rank him
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:57 pm to Korin
quote:
Stop feeding the troll.
quote:
Korin
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:57 pm to monkeybutt
"Total defense and offense are useless stats." DERP.
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