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Looks like the PAC is about to be taken off life support
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:42 pm
Colorado holds 'substantive' talks with Big 12 as Buffaloes consider leaving Pac-12
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"I have no comment other than what I said last week," Colorado athletic director Rick George told CBS Sports while not exactly shooting down the Big 12 talks. "We are proud members of the Pac-12. In a perfect world, we'd love to be in the Pac-12, but we also have to do what is right for Colorado at the end of the day."
Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff had no comment, while a representative for Sanders did not respond to CBS Sports' request.
It is expected that Colorado would receive an equal media rights share ($31.7 million, beginning in 2025) to join the Big 12, making the move even more attractive. The league's contract with ESPN and Fox is believed to guarantee an equal share for any expansion teams so long as they are currently Power Five members.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:42 pm to BreakawayZou83
Can we send Mizzou back?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:44 pm to bad93ex
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Can we send Mizzou back?
If you can persuade Nebraska and Oklahoma to head back to the Big 12, we'll consider it. Maybe toss in Arkansas as well.
As long as the SEC then promises to keep Texas and Texas A&M forever in exchange.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:44 pm to BreakawayZou83
I’m more worried about Oregon, Washington, and the Arizona schools bolting than Colorado if I am them.
If/when the Big Ten takes the former two and the Big 12 takes the latter two, PAC is fricked outside of becoming the Mountain West.
Here’s to hoping Cal gets frozen out of all the conferences given the shite they gave to so many other schools looking to join the Pac.
If/when the Big Ten takes the former two and the Big 12 takes the latter two, PAC is fricked outside of becoming the Mountain West.
Here’s to hoping Cal gets frozen out of all the conferences given the shite they gave to so many other schools looking to join the Pac.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:45 pm to bad93ex
and Texas A&M with Texas and Oklahoma staying put. I like the SEC without big12 teams
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:46 pm to teke184
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’m more worried about Oregon, Washington, and the Arizona schools bolting than Colorado if I am them.
If/when the Big Ten takes the former two and the Big 12 takes the latter two, PAC is fricked outside of becoming the Mountain West.
The message board/Twitter rumors claim that the B1G doesn't want to strike the killing blow to the PAC by taking OU/Washington. They are playing hurry up and wait to see if other PAC schools voluntarily leave first. Frankly, that makes no sense to me because the B1G effectively killed the PAC by taking both LA schools. But I guess we'll see what happens. Regardless, the PAC is and has been fricked.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:47 pm to BreakawayZou83
The Pac 12 has to be the worst run sports league I've ever seen. They literally had a monopoly west of Texas and completely blew it.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:52 pm to Bench McElroy
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The Pac 12 has to be the worst run sports league I've ever seen. They literally had a monopoly west of Texas and completely blew it.
In 2010, they could have killed the Big 12 and created the first 16-team super conference. But ya know, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech just weren't PAC material. I'm sure it feels good to be a fan of one of the Red Raiders or Cowboys today and watch said PAC schools praying for an invite to the truck stop conference.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:08 pm to Bench McElroy
Most of the realignments have been dumb from a fan standpoint, killed rivalries or created cross country alignments.
CU coming back to the big 12 makes sense though. It was a good league before the dominos fell. Late 2000s was an awesome time in the conference that could’ve continued but $ always wins.
CU coming back to the big 12 makes sense though. It was a good league before the dominos fell. Late 2000s was an awesome time in the conference that could’ve continued but $ always wins.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:11 pm to TejasHorn
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Most of the realignments have been dumb from a fan standpoint, killed rivalries or created cross country alignments.
USC and UCLA playing the B1G and having them travel to Rutgers/Maryland for a conference game will be so weird to watch.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:13 pm to Bench McElroy
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The Pac 12 has to be the worst run sports league I've ever seen. They literally had a monopoly west of Texas and completely blew it.
You could certainly make an argument between them and the ACC.
Big 10 were the big winners.
SEC was always going to be great.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:14 pm to bad93ex
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USC and UCLA playing the B1G and having them travel to Rutgers/Maryland for a conference game will be so weird to watch
Even worse for all the other sports that will have midweek games.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:24 pm to theGarnetWay
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Even worse for all the other sports that will have midweek games.
I think the travel aspect is over-rated. It's no big deal for the 49ers to go to Baltimore or New York to play. Just like USC and UCLA going to Chicago or New Jersey or Maryland is no big deal.
Also the travel to Lexington, KY and Columbia, MO for non-revenue sports is not just some bus ride for the majority of SEC schools. Oklahoma will fly to Lexington and Columbia, SC for non-revenue sports. The OU golf team and volleyball team will fly to the Eastern SEC schools midweek.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:26 pm to hiltacular
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You could certainly make an argument between them and the ACC.
Apples and oranges. The ACC overlaps geographically with the two most powerful conferences. The ACC has been extremely susceptible to raids from both the B1G and SEC for decades. The reason the ACC has a terrible grant of rights is because they feared further raiding after Maryland left for the B1G. It was a desperation move to hold on a little while longer.
By contrast, the PAC had the first modern super conference in their hands and said "nah, we can't be seen in public with these Oklahoma State and Texas Tech people". And it's been a slow and steady march toward the death of the conference ever since.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:30 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Flying from Norman, OK, to Florida or South Carolina has nothing on going from Los Angeles or Seattle to Newark, NJ, or College Park, MD, for a midweek trip.
Not great for the SEC. Insane for the PAC schools.
At least teams in the same conference as Hawaii use a trip to the islands as a selling point for playing in a lesser conference.
Not great for the SEC. Insane for the PAC schools.
At least teams in the same conference as Hawaii use a trip to the islands as a selling point for playing in a lesser conference.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:54 pm to BreakawayZou83
Read an article yesterday, about how important it was to USC and UCLA that the Pac 12 survive.
They have multiple sports that the Big Ten does not participate in, they were counting on games in the west coast.
They have multiple sports that the Big Ten does not participate in, they were counting on games in the west coast.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:21 pm to BreakawayZou83
When Colorado leaves, I look for the Arizona schools to announce soon afterwards.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:31 pm to cardswinagain
Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Utah appear to be a package deal for the Big 12. I could see Cal dropping sports all together. Stanford, I’m not sure about.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:40 pm to BreakawayZou83
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George Kliavkoff
Perhaps the worst commissioner I have ever seen, or even heard of.
What the frick has this guy done?
The Big 12 solidified itself by adding some solid G5 schools. While not ideal, it did show stability and it paid off with a better than expected TV deal.
It's been nearly a year since USC and UCLA announced they were leaving and Kliavkoff hasn't done shite. No additions, no TV deal, no buzz. Nothing.
The Pac 12 is down to 10 teams and may lose more. There is no reason - NONE - that he shouldn't have added some teams. There are no homeruns left in the expansion game for the Pac 12, but a couple of singles would be better than nothing.
First, it's a fricking travesty that BYU did not get added to the Pac 12 years ago. I know that was before Kliavkoff's time, but they are paying the price now for their elitism and religious bigotry.
He should add San Diego State, Boise State, SMU and UNLV right fricking now (and maybe Fresno). Announce the Pac 12 conference championship would rotate around major Pac 12 cities, including Vegas and Dallas, add Gonzaga and St. Mary's for basketball only.
There are other things he can do as well, but just do something. What a failure.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:48 pm to TigerintheNO
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They have multiple sports that the Big Ten does not participate in, they were counting on games in the west coast.
If the PAC-12 agrees to play ball, which they might not, So Cal and UCLA could still have other teams play in the PAC12 while the rest play in the Big 10. Ours and UK’s men’s soccer team play in CUSA because the SEC doesn’t have it. Mizzou wrestling also still competes in the Big 12, etc.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:12 pm
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