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re: LHSAA meetings....looks like more trouble on the horizon.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:42 pm to peopleschamp
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:42 pm to peopleschamp
No way.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 12:07 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Louisiana should adopt a split model. on principle it's unfair for schools that can recruit to play against ones that can't. regardless of school size
Posted on 12/13/12 at 6:36 am to GhostofJackson
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Please show me this 70 point victory
Probably referring to the first round of the playoffs, the first year all the schools got moved down. Can't remember if it was 2004 or 2005.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 6:55 am to TigerFanatic1
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Please show me this 70 point victory
Probably referring to the first round of the playoffs, the first year all the schools got moved down. Can't remember if it was 2004 or 2005.
Curtis has never scored 70...
Widest margin of victory ever was 60-0 in 1978...
Fwiw... Most public schools don't want a split...for many schools their highest gate games of the year are vs private schools..
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:02 am to lctiger
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If you don't think baseball players have moved into the district to play for the Barbes and Zacharys
I know if I was getting transferred to the Lake Charles area and my kid was good in Baseball, I'd look for a home in Barbe's attendance zone. Same if I got transferred to the Monroe area and he was a football player, I'd be looking in the West Monroe zone. Now if the schools in the area are not good academically I'd be looking at private schools. Some parents do move just so their kids can play ball for a certain school, as long as they actually move I don't have a problem.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:12 am to chalmetteowl
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Curtis doesn't run it up on people
Meh. He does tend to play the bench, but when he's calling bombs with 2 minutes left against ECA and a 22 point lead, you might have trouble selling that. And yes, this last round of gerrymandering was a conspiracy with all classes voting to screw 3A.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:39 am to choupiquesushi
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Curtis has never scored 70...
Was answering a question concerning Evangel
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:58 am to peopleschamp
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Agreed this is all a simple fix. Public schools should split. The private schools can do whatever they want after that.
This hurts the public schools. Also, if there was a public school/private school league, the public school would be a joke, somewhat like our public school education. It would be inefficient, have tons of problems, and probably end up only sponsoring football, basketball, and baseball. The LHSAA knows a split would kill them, and they don't want to split, therefore if the Catholic League wants to be back together they cater to them.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:20 am to GhostofJackson
Alot of schools are already preparing for this in case it happens. I know that quite a few public schools will choose to play in the private school classification if given the option. Karr, West Monroe, Neville, St. James, Scotlandville, East St. John and Lutcher have all stated they plan to jump to the private/magnet school side. The public schools will also have a hard time getting sponsorships for their championships.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:16 am to choupiquesushi
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Widest margin of victory ever was 60-0 in 1978...
Not true
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:19 am to TigerFanatic1
64-0. Either way, not 70 which has been mentioned a ton of times. But you want to know why they dominate? Because without a coach even being around, next years starters are doing off season drills and working on football ALREADY! Not a coach around but the kids understand what it takes to be the best. How many public school kids would have that discipline?
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:27 am to GhostofJackson
I never said JC scored 70. I know why they dominate and there is no doubt those kids prepare themselves and WANT to win.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:31 am to GhostofJackson
I know of one public school that the kids start practicing by themselves as early as 6th grade. They're not too shabby at football either...
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:07 am to TigerFanatic1
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Widest margin of victory ever was 60-0 in 1978...
Not true
so which one was it?
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:15 am to choupiquesushi
2012 first round of playoffs vs. Pope John Paul was 64-0. I don't know whether or not that is the biggest margin of victory for JC.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:16 am to choupiquesushi
I said 70. It was obviously incorrect. It was used more as a figure of speech than an obvious researched fact. I'm sorry I wasn't literal.
But it's still hypocrisy. They're willing to play in a shitty 3A district and blow out ED White and Plaquemine and win it all. But they won't play in the Catholic School League because their baseball and basketball team would get their arse kicked? Cry me a river.
But it's still hypocrisy. They're willing to play in a shitty 3A district and blow out ED White and Plaquemine and win it all. But they won't play in the Catholic School League because their baseball and basketball team would get their arse kicked? Cry me a river.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:49 am to TigerFanatic1
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2012 first round of playoffs vs. Pope John Paul was 64-0. I don't know whether or not that is the biggest margin of victory for JC.
yes it is... now. .previous was 60-0.
the catholic league wanted NO part of them in their district.... that is when catholic league started beating the drums on play in class....
we can all agree something needs to be done....
If there is a split it will be a disaster..
If two teams have won all of the state titles in a class in 8 years.. they need to be UP... just one class... I highly doubt it...
In baseball and hoops.. they are not gonna dominate 3a...
Posted on 12/13/12 at 2:20 pm to choupiquesushi
A public/private split will create unintended consequences that the public school fans may not be considering. If the LHSAA thinks they can dictate terms to the private schools and the private schools wont start their own association then they are hopelessly deluded. Why belong to an association that stigmatizes you?
If the LPHSAA is created here are some things to chew on:
2 different Associations, 2 different governing bodies, 2 different sets of rules, 2 different agendas
#1 Officials
if the privates split, rest assured they will take the best officials from the local association with them. Ref associations are based on private contractor status and are free to work for whomever they want. So offer five bucks a game more than the publics, better work environments and the opportunity to cull the Ref ranks of the garbage officials that only care about money and BOOM you have created a HAVES vs HAVE NOTS in those who officiate the games. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#2 Recruiting of Athletes
If there are no common rules and governing body overseeing application of student aid, inducements and illegal contact of HS age students what is to prevent the local private schools from raiding the local public school rosters and attempting to steal kids away? ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#3 Sponsorship of programs and events
If the local "money" set has concentrated themselves in the private schools, and the best athletes and best coaches are concentrated at the athletic factories in the private school league and then what do you think will happen to the sponsorships of public school league events? All you will have wanting to sponsor the public school league will be people connected to the players. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#4 Competitive balance
If the best programs are all concentrated into one league then what good is winning the championship of a watered down league? ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#5 Scheduling and gate issues
I have heard the proposal that publics and privates could play in the regular season (and share their gate money to the publics) but then each would play for their own championships. What benefit does that scenario present for the private school? The only one I can think of is it would give a up close look at the athletes in the public school for the private school coaches to recruit. Other than that why would the private schools want to prop up the local public schools with gate money? As soon as the public school loses one kid HS age to a private school they recently played they wont ever play again. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
Split the association into public and private groups and it will create a Sun Belt vs SEC type of environment for HS athletics in the state.
If the LPHSAA is created here are some things to chew on:
2 different Associations, 2 different governing bodies, 2 different sets of rules, 2 different agendas
#1 Officials
if the privates split, rest assured they will take the best officials from the local association with them. Ref associations are based on private contractor status and are free to work for whomever they want. So offer five bucks a game more than the publics, better work environments and the opportunity to cull the Ref ranks of the garbage officials that only care about money and BOOM you have created a HAVES vs HAVE NOTS in those who officiate the games. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#2 Recruiting of Athletes
If there are no common rules and governing body overseeing application of student aid, inducements and illegal contact of HS age students what is to prevent the local private schools from raiding the local public school rosters and attempting to steal kids away? ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#3 Sponsorship of programs and events
If the local "money" set has concentrated themselves in the private schools, and the best athletes and best coaches are concentrated at the athletic factories in the private school league and then what do you think will happen to the sponsorships of public school league events? All you will have wanting to sponsor the public school league will be people connected to the players. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#4 Competitive balance
If the best programs are all concentrated into one league then what good is winning the championship of a watered down league? ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
#5 Scheduling and gate issues
I have heard the proposal that publics and privates could play in the regular season (and share their gate money to the publics) but then each would play for their own championships. What benefit does that scenario present for the private school? The only one I can think of is it would give a up close look at the athletes in the public school for the private school coaches to recruit. Other than that why would the private schools want to prop up the local public schools with gate money? As soon as the public school loses one kid HS age to a private school they recently played they wont ever play again. ADVANTAGE PRIVATES
Split the association into public and private groups and it will create a Sun Belt vs SEC type of environment for HS athletics in the state.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 2:42 pm to choupiquesushi
Also on another note:
the reason this talk comes around is simple, NORLA schools and rural LA schools are community and district based for the most part. So their fans are ignorant on the way schools handle enrollment in the rest of the state. They believe that "all" public schools are just like them. They have no idea about the majority to minority situations, failing schools, school of choice, charter school, magnet school, specialized academy or vocational schools that are all over LA south of Bunkie. There are kids riding busses all over Lafayette Parish everyday to go to schools way out of their attendance zone.
So if the issue is really Curtis and Evangel then do what the NCAA does. Limit their organized time together. Whether a coach is there or not you have a max of 20 hrs a week of organized meetings/games/practice/weights/film etc.
From another board:
this is the principal of Franklin HS posting (in bold) on cajun preps:
LINK
the reason this talk comes around is simple, NORLA schools and rural LA schools are community and district based for the most part. So their fans are ignorant on the way schools handle enrollment in the rest of the state. They believe that "all" public schools are just like them. They have no idea about the majority to minority situations, failing schools, school of choice, charter school, magnet school, specialized academy or vocational schools that are all over LA south of Bunkie. There are kids riding busses all over Lafayette Parish everyday to go to schools way out of their attendance zone.
So if the issue is really Curtis and Evangel then do what the NCAA does. Limit their organized time together. Whether a coach is there or not you have a max of 20 hrs a week of organized meetings/games/practice/weights/film etc.
From another board:
this is the principal of Franklin HS posting (in bold) on cajun preps:
LINK
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[TC_Cant_Hang:] "It's just a mess. When the public schools realize the gate receipts are 75% down, they'll want the privates back."
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EZ there TC...you are giving away my secrets to scheduling for baseball and softball home games. We go to the privates tournaments and they play us in a home game. I love me some private money.
All jokes aside...that is really what sets the privates and publics (most) apart. And that is parental support.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 3:03 pm to choupiquesushi
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In baseball and hoops.. they are not gonna dominate 3a...
baseball, no.
basketball, maybe.
They do the same things they do in basketball now that they do in football. Curtis is loaded with underclassmen in basketball. Just got a top player from Riverside to transfer there.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 3:07 pm
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