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re: LHSAA--Anybody heard any rumors about the LHSAA Executive Director's job?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:47 am to supatigah
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:47 am to supatigah
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Louisiana private schools have the power in the population centers of the south. Add in the select enrollment public schools and the new association would dominate the old association in talent, coaching and financials.
I like the Indest quote about most schools not having a chance to win state anyway even if they do split
ETA also if they just eliminate districts then they eliminate weak teams from being forced to play ECA and JC. Then ECA and JC are forced to schedule teams that will play them.
Unfortunately this will all come to a head if not on Friday, it will within the next decade. Private schools will dominiate 1-3a for the next two years which will piss off these small public schools again, and 4-5a will certainly have a number of private schools that will be vying for titles. The private schools need to come up with a contingency plan because they will continue to get the shaft on legislation because it is a numbers game.
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Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:50 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Football superclass would fix all of this but too many retards at the lhsaa to figure that out.
It really wouldn't be that crazy to have a baseline classification for all sports based on the schools numbers, then let each individual team play whichever division they want. You could have a super division in football too, but why that won't work is you will never get all the best teams together. Some will see the competition clearing out of their division and will stay to win a weaker classification.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:02 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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No way I'd think about scheduling a public school after a split if I was a private school coach/administrator
Definitely. I wouldn't schedule anyone but other select enrollment schools so that the publics would have as little chance to make money off my program as possible.
Didn't Supa talk about a baseball coach in the Acadiana area that goes to all the private school tournaments so that they'll play his team at home and he can fund his program off the gate receipts from those games? It was something like that. But the same thing happens with the public schools in Baton Rouge when they play Catholic. They can't afford to give up that game, that's the most money they make all year.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:09 am to ProjectP2294
You don't think those schools would want to play WM or Byrd with their huge followings?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:10 am to ProjectP2294
The post was quoted from Cajun preps, and it was from a principal at a St Mary parish high school. He said (to paraphrase) that he sends his baseball and softball team to the tournaments hosted by private schools and he schedules home games with those private schools to fund his programs.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:13 am to supatigah
why not just force ECA and JC to play in 5A in all sports?
by the way, what % of the LHSAA schools are private?
by the way, what % of the LHSAA schools are private?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:17 am to ProjectP2294
i hope it goes to a roll-call vote so we can see who's gutless and who's not... maybe if the private schools start their own association and the publics who want to can't play them, there might be legal action for future lost gate receipts.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:20 am to Chicken
quote:
why not just force ECA and JC to play in 5A in all sports?
by the way, what % of the LHSAA schools are private?
because 5a and 4a didn't want them no more.....
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:21 am to Chicken
quote:
why not just force ECA and JC to play in 5A in all sports?
5As complain that they split gate revenue ... But when they travel to 2As they get crap in return. Essentially funding the small programs to build football powerhouses.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:22 am to choupiquesushi
in Texas, some private schools sued to play against the public schools. they won, but as a result, had to play in 5A regardless of size.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:23 am to JJ27
quote:
You don't think those schools would want to play WM or Byrd with their huge followings?
I can only speak to south LA, where the non-select schools with huge, loyal followings are in fewer numbers than select schools.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:25 am to supatigah
quote:
The post was quoted from Cajun preps, and it was from a principal at a St Mary parish high school. He said (to paraphrase) that he sends his baseball and softball team to the tournaments hosted by private schools and he schedules home games with those private schools to fund his programs.
Thanks for the clarification. That guy seems to know the reality of the situation and takes advantage of it accordingly, instead of trying to change the whole system.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:25 am to Chicken
quote:
why not just force ECA and JC to play in 5A in all sports?
That would be a great lawsuit.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:26 am to Chicken
quote:
in Texas, some private schools sued to play against the public schools. they won, but as a result, had to play in 5A regardless of size.
That's different because private schools play under TAPPS, so they don't really have any say in what public schools they can play.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:36 am to GhostofJackson
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The premise is that Curtis doesn't want to sacrifice the ability for their other programs to be competitive just for football to be in 5A. It was shown how horrible Evangel was in all other sports besides football during their 5A years. Curtis doesn't want to throw the rest of the school under the bus like that.
Curtis was a baseball power in 4A in the 90s. They might not have won a state championship in 5A, but they could have competed. Evangel competed well in 5A baseball. If the only defintion of "competitive" is winning a state title, then you can argue that only about 5 schools in every class are competitive in any sport.
If Curtis and Evangel are unable to "compete" in the other sports, then maybe they should put a little bit more effort into making those sports successful. When your sole purpose of starting a school is to win football championships, this is a side effect.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:44 am to Choupique19
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Curtis was a baseball power in 4A in the 90s. They might not have won a state championship in 5A, but they could have competed. Evangel competed well in 5A baseball. If the only defintion of "competitive" is winning a state title, then you can argue that only about 5 schools in every class are competitive in any sport.
If Curtis and Evangel are unable to "compete" in the other sports, then maybe they should put a little bit more effort into making those sports successful. When your sole purpose of starting a school is to win football championships, this is a side effect.
No, competitive meaning making the playoffs instead of sitting home at the end of the season. Evangel rarely did that outside of football when they were in 5A, and when they did only 2-3 times ever made it past the second round in non-football sports during their time in 5A. Go look it up on Ken Ramsey. JT doesn't want to sacrifice the other students ability to be on competitive teams just to satiate his own desires to be a top football team. And if you really think that, you've never met JT.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:56 am to Chicken
the problem is the way the big catholic schools are set up historically in Louisiana they have a huge amount of political influence. So anything detrimental to the big catholic schools could cause a Legislative review of the LHSAA. The LHSAA does not want the politicians in their business so they have appeased the big catholic schools and held JC at bay. ECA being a part of this is a byproduct of the original treatment of JC by the big Catholic schools. ECA has compounded the sore feelings and been their own worst enemy in NORLA by their continuing to practice shady recruiting in an area dominated by public schools.
JC does things quasi legally, ECA bends the rules. So the methods of ECA gets lumped in with the success of JC and creates a controversy on two fronts in two parts of the state. When JC was 4A and ECA was 5A the outcry was from Ruston, who had ECA in their district. Nobody really complained about JC in 4A because they were very successful but they did not embarrass anybody. LHSAA Commissioner Tommy Henry started the push to diminish ECA and JC by pushing them to play in class. This was really about minimizing ECA and quieting the NORLA dissenters but JC was caught up in the mix.
After Tommy Henry was deposed, the new LHSAA powers that be came from NORLA - specifically Ruston (the new commissioner was the principal of Ruston) and they had an axe to grind with ECA. The idea to continue play in class had an unintended consequence as it solidified the 2A dissension about JC and ECA into one vocal group across the state. This vocal group gathered up support in 3A by those tired of Parkview and ND dominating 3A football. 4A and 5A public schools joined the dissenters because they didnt want JC or ECA back in the upper classifications and the idea of splitting came around from not having a consensus on what to do with JC and ECA.
A lot of this started in basketball years ago with Reserve Christian dominating Class B. Clyde Briley of Midland HS was a very vocal critic of Tommy Henry and the LHSAA's handling of Reserve and the seeds for splitting were sown at that time. The issue never really died and has picked up steam lately with the issues 2A are facing in football with JC and ECA.
So Class B and Class C are pissed about the way schools like Excelsior Christian, Family Christian and Reserve Christian pop up and dominate the small schools.
Class 1A doesnt really have a dog in this fight (except maybe OCS in football).
Class 2A is outraged over being forced to play JC and ECA.
Class 3A is pissed about the dominance of Redemptorist a few years ago. Parkview and ND in get lumped into that as well but neither team cheats so the outrage is not quite as strong. Splitting scares both sides in 3A because they are the class that stands the most to lose if there is a split.
4A and 5A are going to be relatively quiet because they dont want ECA or JC back but there really is no consensus about what to do with either school. Splitting hurts 4A and 5A publics because they depend on playing private schools the most for the gate.
because the big Catholic Schools in NOLA dont want to have to play them. Playing JC "legitimizes" JC in a way that the big Catholic schools dont want to do. They would rather pretend that JC doesnt exist than be forced to play them and potentially be embarrassed. Although the way the Catholic League schools have opened up their enrollment after Katrina, I doubt JC would embarrass Catholic League schools but JC would still beat them.
JC does things quasi legally, ECA bends the rules. So the methods of ECA gets lumped in with the success of JC and creates a controversy on two fronts in two parts of the state. When JC was 4A and ECA was 5A the outcry was from Ruston, who had ECA in their district. Nobody really complained about JC in 4A because they were very successful but they did not embarrass anybody. LHSAA Commissioner Tommy Henry started the push to diminish ECA and JC by pushing them to play in class. This was really about minimizing ECA and quieting the NORLA dissenters but JC was caught up in the mix.
After Tommy Henry was deposed, the new LHSAA powers that be came from NORLA - specifically Ruston (the new commissioner was the principal of Ruston) and they had an axe to grind with ECA. The idea to continue play in class had an unintended consequence as it solidified the 2A dissension about JC and ECA into one vocal group across the state. This vocal group gathered up support in 3A by those tired of Parkview and ND dominating 3A football. 4A and 5A public schools joined the dissenters because they didnt want JC or ECA back in the upper classifications and the idea of splitting came around from not having a consensus on what to do with JC and ECA.
A lot of this started in basketball years ago with Reserve Christian dominating Class B. Clyde Briley of Midland HS was a very vocal critic of Tommy Henry and the LHSAA's handling of Reserve and the seeds for splitting were sown at that time. The issue never really died and has picked up steam lately with the issues 2A are facing in football with JC and ECA.
So Class B and Class C are pissed about the way schools like Excelsior Christian, Family Christian and Reserve Christian pop up and dominate the small schools.
Class 1A doesnt really have a dog in this fight (except maybe OCS in football).
Class 2A is outraged over being forced to play JC and ECA.
Class 3A is pissed about the dominance of Redemptorist a few years ago. Parkview and ND in get lumped into that as well but neither team cheats so the outrage is not quite as strong. Splitting scares both sides in 3A because they are the class that stands the most to lose if there is a split.
4A and 5A are going to be relatively quiet because they dont want ECA or JC back but there really is no consensus about what to do with either school. Splitting hurts 4A and 5A publics because they depend on playing private schools the most for the gate.
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why not just force ECA and JC to play in 5A in all sports?
because the big Catholic Schools in NOLA dont want to have to play them. Playing JC "legitimizes" JC in a way that the big Catholic schools dont want to do. They would rather pretend that JC doesnt exist than be forced to play them and potentially be embarrassed. Although the way the Catholic League schools have opened up their enrollment after Katrina, I doubt JC would embarrass Catholic League schools but JC would still beat them.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 10:01 am to supatigah
Select Schools in 5A in bold:
DISTRICT 1
1. Airline
2. Byrd, C.E.
3. Caddo Magnet [CNF]
4. Captain Shreve
5. Haughton
6. Parkway
7. Southwood
DISTRICT 2
1. Natchitoches Central
2. Ouachita
3. Pineville
4. Ruston
5. West Monroe
DISTRICT 3
1. Acadiana
2. Barbe
3. Carencro
4. Comeaux
5. Houston, Sam
6. Lafayette
7. Sulphur
DISTRICT 4
1. Central, BR
2. Denham Springs
3. Live Oak
4. Scotlandville
5. Walker
6. Zachary
DISTRICT 5
1. Baton Rouge [CNF]
2. Catholic, BR
3. Dutchtown
4. East Ascension
5. McKinley
6. St. Amant
7. St. Joseph’s Academy (AG)
8. Woodlawn, BR
DISTRICT 6
1. Covington
2. Fontainebleau
3. Mandeville
4. Northshore
5. Ponchatoula
6. Slidell
7. St. Paul’s
8. St. Scholastica (AG)
DISTRICT 7
1. Bourgeois, H.L.
2. Central Lafourche
3. New Iberia
4. South Lafourche
5. Terrebonne
6. Thibodaux
7. Westgate
DISTRICT 8
1. Bonnabel
2. Destrehan
3. East St. John
4. Ehret, John
5. Hahnville
6. Higgins, L.W.
DISTRICT 9
1. Archbishop Chapelle (AG)
2. Archbishop Rummel
3. Brother Martin
4. Chalmette
5. Dominican (AG)
6. Jesuit
7. King, Grace
8. Mt. Carmel (AG)
9. West Jefferson
If I have missed any, please let me know
20/63 schools are select/magnet/private
11/63 are private
DISTRICT 1
1. Airline
2. Byrd, C.E.
3. Caddo Magnet [CNF]
4. Captain Shreve
5. Haughton
6. Parkway
7. Southwood
DISTRICT 2
1. Natchitoches Central
2. Ouachita
3. Pineville
4. Ruston
5. West Monroe
DISTRICT 3
1. Acadiana
2. Barbe
3. Carencro
4. Comeaux
5. Houston, Sam
6. Lafayette
7. Sulphur
DISTRICT 4
1. Central, BR
2. Denham Springs
3. Live Oak
4. Scotlandville
5. Walker
6. Zachary
DISTRICT 5
1. Baton Rouge [CNF]
2. Catholic, BR
3. Dutchtown
4. East Ascension
5. McKinley
6. St. Amant
7. St. Joseph’s Academy (AG)
8. Woodlawn, BR
DISTRICT 6
1. Covington
2. Fontainebleau
3. Mandeville
4. Northshore
5. Ponchatoula
6. Slidell
7. St. Paul’s
8. St. Scholastica (AG)
DISTRICT 7
1. Bourgeois, H.L.
2. Central Lafourche
3. New Iberia
4. South Lafourche
5. Terrebonne
6. Thibodaux
7. Westgate
DISTRICT 8
1. Bonnabel
2. Destrehan
3. East St. John
4. Ehret, John
5. Hahnville
6. Higgins, L.W.
DISTRICT 9
1. Archbishop Chapelle (AG)
2. Archbishop Rummel
3. Brother Martin
4. Chalmette
5. Dominican (AG)
6. Jesuit
7. King, Grace
8. Mt. Carmel (AG)
9. West Jefferson
If I have missed any, please let me know
20/63 schools are select/magnet/private
11/63 are private
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/23/13 at 10:04 am to supatigah
CLASS 4A select enrollment schools in bold:
DISTRICT 1
1. Benton
2. Fair Park
3. Huntington
4. Minden
5. Northwood, SH
6. Woodlawn, SH
DISTRICT 2
1. Bastrop
2. Franklin Parish
3. Neville
4. West Ouachita
5. Wossman
DISTRICT 3
1. Alexandria
2. Bolton
3. Grant
4. Leesville
5. Peabody
6. Tioga
Open Enrollment in Rapides Parish?
DISTRICT 4
1. Beau Chene
2. DeRidder
3. LaGrange
4. Opelousas
5. St. Louis
6. Washington-Marion
DISTRICT 5
1. Breaux Bridge
2. Cecilia
3. Northside
4. St. Martinville
5. St. Thomas More
6. Teurlings Catholic
DISTRICT 6
1. Belaire
2. Broadmoor
3. Istrouma
4. Lutcher
5. Plaquemine
6. St. Michael
7. Tara
DISTRICT 7
1. Franklinton
2. Hammond
3. Lakeshore
4. Pearl River
5. Salmen
DISTRICT 8
1. Assumption
2. Ellender, A.J.
3. Morgan City
4. South Terrebonne
5. Vandebilt Catholic
DISTRICT 9
1. Academy of Our Lady (AG)
2. Archbishop Shaw
3. Belle Chasse
4. Cox, Helen
5. Karr, Edna
6. McDonogh #35
7. Walker, O.P.
DISTRICT 10
1. Cabrini (AG)
2. East Jefferson
3. Easton, Warren
4. Franklin, Ben
5. Holy Cross
6. Riverdale
7. St. Augustine
8. Ursuline (AG)
need help with Select enrollment schools in 4A. Specifically charter and magnet schools
15/61 are magnet/select/private schools
11/61 are private schools
DISTRICT 1
1. Benton
2. Fair Park
3. Huntington
4. Minden
5. Northwood, SH
6. Woodlawn, SH
DISTRICT 2
1. Bastrop
2. Franklin Parish
3. Neville
4. West Ouachita
5. Wossman
DISTRICT 3
1. Alexandria
2. Bolton
3. Grant
4. Leesville
5. Peabody
6. Tioga
Open Enrollment in Rapides Parish?
DISTRICT 4
1. Beau Chene
2. DeRidder
3. LaGrange
4. Opelousas
5. St. Louis
6. Washington-Marion
DISTRICT 5
1. Breaux Bridge
2. Cecilia
3. Northside
4. St. Martinville
5. St. Thomas More
6. Teurlings Catholic
DISTRICT 6
1. Belaire
2. Broadmoor
3. Istrouma
4. Lutcher
5. Plaquemine
6. St. Michael
7. Tara
DISTRICT 7
1. Franklinton
2. Hammond
3. Lakeshore
4. Pearl River
5. Salmen
DISTRICT 8
1. Assumption
2. Ellender, A.J.
3. Morgan City
4. South Terrebonne
5. Vandebilt Catholic
DISTRICT 9
1. Academy of Our Lady (AG)
2. Archbishop Shaw
3. Belle Chasse
4. Cox, Helen
5. Karr, Edna
6. McDonogh #35
7. Walker, O.P.
DISTRICT 10
1. Cabrini (AG)
2. East Jefferson
3. Easton, Warren
4. Franklin, Ben
5. Holy Cross
6. Riverdale
7. St. Augustine
8. Ursuline (AG)
need help with Select enrollment schools in 4A. Specifically charter and magnet schools
15/61 are magnet/select/private schools
11/61 are private schools
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/23/13 at 10:06 am to supatigah
quote:
because the big Catholic Schools in NOLA dont want to have to play them. Playing JC "legitimizes" JC in a way that the big Catholic schools dont want to do. They would rather pretend that JC doesnt exist than be forced to play them and potentially be embarrassed. Although the way the Catholic League schools have opened up their enrollment after Katrina, I doubt JC would embarrass Catholic League schools but JC would still beat them.
Curtis has played most of the Catholic schools in football over a period of time except Rummel and Jesuit...
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