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re: LeBron=excuses
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
i hate these Kobe/Lebron debates but Lebron takes much higher percentage shots
Me too, but with unknown and Lebron fans its bound to happen after the first couple pages
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Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:53 pm to theunknownknight
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I then showed him that the leader in PER hasn't won anything of significance in the last 10 years
1 player out of 12, for the 2nd time.
This isn't 1 on 1.
What if the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th best players had a higher PER for Team B? That's why your using ONE player deal makes zero sense.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:53 pm to Louie T
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Sure can; you took predictive to mean 100%. You are a fricking moron.
No, I took predictive to assume at LEAST greater than 10% accuracy.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:53 pm to theunknownknight
quote:1 player is not a team.
No, I took predictive to assume at LEAST greater than 10% accuracy
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:55 pm to shel311
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WHAT?
Again, Kobe led the league in usage rate and shot attempts this season correct?
Why didn't Kobe lead in PER?
I don't CARE who leads in PER because at the end of the day it has been totally inaccurate in predicting winners. The same goes for Hollinger's team efficiency ratings. Useless in real predictability since the day it was developed.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:56 pm to shel311
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:58 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
I don't CARE who leads in PER
Kobe led the league in usage rate and shot attempts this season correct?
Why didn't Kobe lead in PER?
Not answering for some reason.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:58 pm to shel311
It's like arguing with PJ
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:59 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Offensive efficiency is something completely different than PER.
Hollinger is wrong about the team as well
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:59 pm to shel311
quote:
1 player is not a team.
not if your him
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:59 pm to Louie T
quote:He just doesn't answer, then he posts a link to the Offensive efficiency ratings to prove a point about PER.
It's like arguing with PJ
Good times.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Or Kobe, or MJ, or Magic, or Bird and so on and so forth...
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:00 pm to Louie T
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It's like arguing with PJ
It's really not. They're stats guys going back and forth and you're just interjecting every few posts w/ a, "OMG YOU'RE SOOOOO STOOPID"
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:01 pm to HT713
quote:It really is.
It's really not
He's pounding his fists saying PER is slanted towards guys with higher Usage Rates.
Then when I tell him Kobe has led the league in usage rates the last 2 seasons but isn't near the top in PER and ask him for his thoughts TWICE, he doesn't respond.
He instead responds with a link to team rankings for offensive efficiency.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:02 pm to shel311
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Kobe led the league in usage rate and shot attempts this season correct?
Why didn't Kobe lead in PER?
Because he has to play defense against people bigger than him all game every game without bitching. oh wait...
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:02 pm to HT713
quote:That would be fine if knight would actually post something of substance. He keeps repeating over and over again that PER is flawed. NO frickING shite
It's really not. They're stats guys going back and forth and you're just interjecting every few posts w/ a, "OMG YOU'RE SOOOOO STOOPID"
All the while refusing to address why Kobe's shooting rates (which he just said is a large factor in PER) aren't indicative of his PER
quote:Also funny coming from the guy who just interjects with "bandwagon" over and over again.
It's really not. They're stats guys going back and forth and you're just interjecting every few posts w/ a, "OMG YOU'RE SOOOOO STOOPID"
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:03 pm to shel311
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Offensive efficiency is something completely different than PER
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT huh? Oh and you missed the part where his defensive ratings were inaccurate as well???
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:06 pm to theunknownknight
The offensive and defensive team rankings aren't supposed to be predictive in regards to winning. They're just metrics to judge which teams have the most efficient offenses/defenses. Looking at how his top ranked teams performed offensively or defensively in the playoffs would be more accurate than judging it based on whether they win championships.
eta: The Dantoni/Nash Suns would have to be at or near the top of the offensive rankings, yet they didn't win a title. Would you actually argue that they weren't one of the most efficient offenses in the NBA due to the lack of a championship?
eta: The Dantoni/Nash Suns would have to be at or near the top of the offensive rankings, yet they didn't win a title. Would you actually argue that they weren't one of the most efficient offenses in the NBA due to the lack of a championship?
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:07 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Yes, Off Efficiency encompasses scoring ONLY.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT huh?
PER is a range of things.
quote:
Oh and you missed the part where his defensive ratings were inaccurate as well???
No, I'm gonna guess that they're actually correct unless you ran the numbers.
It's points per 100 possessions, those are facts. I'm guessing you didn't know what those ratings even were?
Posted on 5/16/12 at 3:08 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:He's linking them to prove PER is flawed.
The offensive and defensive team rankings aren't supposed to be predictive in regards to winning
It makes no sense, whatsoever.
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