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re: Lebron James this year, before we all forget
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:15 am to OBUDan
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:15 am to OBUDan
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Having lived through MJ and Bron, I've just never seen anyone rule the floor like Bron. Not just making the great shots and all that, but absolutely owning the floor.
The one thing that LJ lacks that MJ had is that dirty fade away in the post. If he had that down we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
In every other phase of the game LJ is better. It's just that that was such a huge part of MJ's game that it can't just be tossed aside in the wash. He was that good at the fade away mid range shots on the baseline to where it becomes a legitimate equalizer to make it a debate.
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:17 am to supatigah
quote:Same here
We are witnessing the second greatest player ever. He can even get in GOAT conversations but MJ did more in a much tougher era.
I have the utmost respect for LBJ
There was a series of plays in last year's ECFs when Lebron guarded Rondo, he didn't score or assist in a score. Next possession he guards Pierce, no score or assist. Next possession he guards Kevin Garnett who was playing center, no score or assist. Sitting there watching in awe...
I idolized Michael Jordan growing, memorized every stat, his life story, it was almost an obsession. I never thought i'd even consider putting anybody on his level. Even if someone got there, I figured i'd just be a hater and deny it.
As an individual player, I think Lebron's in the prime of a career that will go down as the greatest of all time.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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say what you will, but they wouldn't have been in that position to even try to win but-for lebron going superman
He took it to a next-level in the 4th. Only to disappear in the last 2 minutes, especially the final minute. Late game issues have plagued Lebron his entire career despite breaking through last year. This is nothing new.
Also, critics of LBJ will forever have fuel for their fires as long as a player his size constantly flops as if he's been shot by a 9mm and throws temper tantrums like a 3 year old every single time the call doesn't go his way. It's just zero fun to watch. And silly considering his physical ability.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:19 am to Powerman
quote:True.
The one thing that LJ lacks that MJ had is that dirty fade away in the post. If he had that down we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
But Jordan was in his 30s before he put that in the arsenal. He came back with that fade away after the first retirement.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:19 am to Powerman
Sure
However LBJ is what he is because of the nature of the game today. Spread floor, big men that shoot from 20ft, the 8 second count is a totally different game than Jordan played.
LBJ came into the league and couldn't shoot for shite. He made himself into the player he is and I totally respect him for it. that is what makes him great to me, there have been athletic freaks like him before but he built himself into the total package. No one comparable to him physically also has the skill that he has developed.
Still only makes him second best to me but it gets closer every day
However LBJ is what he is because of the nature of the game today. Spread floor, big men that shoot from 20ft, the 8 second count is a totally different game than Jordan played.
LBJ came into the league and couldn't shoot for shite. He made himself into the player he is and I totally respect him for it. that is what makes him great to me, there have been athletic freaks like him before but he built himself into the total package. No one comparable to him physically also has the skill that he has developed.
Still only makes him second best to me but it gets closer every day
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:20 am to okietiger
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He took it to a next-level in the 4th. Only to disappear in the last 2 minutes, especially the final minute. Late game issues have plagued Lebron his entire career despite breaking through last year. This is nothing new.
Nevermind that he's one of the best late game scorers in the NBA.
Nevermind that you just hate him to hate him, not for any logical reason.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:21 am to okietiger
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He took it to a next-level in the 4th. Only to disappear in the last 2 minutes, especially the final minute. Late game issues have plagued Lebron his entire career despite breaking through last year. This is nothing new.
I honestly think the problem was bringing Wade back in.
He was playing to his strengths much better without him on the floor. Get the shooters to open up his inside game on offense and he kills everyone just like he did.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:21 am to Powerman
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Get the shooters to open up his inside game on offense
pretty much what was fricked up, along with wade demanding the ball. his 20 footer in OT was just pure shite
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:21 am to SlowFlowPro
He is an all time great player who sets crazy records and milestones. So was Wilt Chamberlain
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 12:22 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:23 am to Powerman
I'd love to see stats of midrange game of Bron vs. MJ.
I think overall MJ > Bron in his pure scoring prowess.
But I think Bron > MJ in the fact that the dude can play all 5 positions as well as probably any of the best 5 people at that position in the league. That's incredible.
I think overall MJ > Bron in his pure scoring prowess.
But I think Bron > MJ in the fact that the dude can play all 5 positions as well as probably any of the best 5 people at that position in the league. That's incredible.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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along with wade demanding the ball. his 20 footer in OT was just pure shite
It was awful
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:24 am to supatigah
Oh I agree about who's best all time right now. It's not all about rings but he needs more for me to be serious about him being better.
You see the Spurs' defense tonight? That was some hardcore shite compared to anything MJ or any of those guys had to see. It was about being more physical and more athletic than "your man" back then. Lebron would fair pretty well
You see the Spurs' defense tonight? That was some hardcore shite compared to anything MJ or any of those guys had to see. It was about being more physical and more athletic than "your man" back then. Lebron would fair pretty well
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:25 am to supatigah
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LBJ came into the league and couldn't shoot for shite.
And he also came into the league straight out of high school. Jordan didn't. For all we know Jordan may have been out the league bagging groceries if he came straight out of high school.
College basketball just by nature of the NBA rules at the time was a much better primer than it is now.
If James had the benefit of a couple of years of college ball and higher level coaching under his belt before coming into the NBA, his rookie year would have certainly been better right?
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Still only makes him second best to me but it gets closer every day
I'm ok with that. I think it's safe to say that at this instant, MJ is still the greatest. But I also think it's foolish to say that LJ has a 0 percent chance of surpassing him.
I think it will come down to a debate 10 years from now. And it probably won't be close either way.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:25 am to OBUDan
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Nevermind that you just hate him to hate him, not for any logical reason.
2 turnovers not 1.
And I'm not the one claiming to have "lived through the Jordan era" even though you and I both know that is complete bullshite. Or are you going to tell me how great it was seeing Jordan win his first championship when you were 6?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:25 am to genro
How the hell are we having legit discussion right now? Is this thread invisible to hack jobs or something?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:26 am to ReauxlTide222
Trolling tends to die down when an admin is involved in the discussion
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:27 am to Powerman
I agree
Wade is garbage and kills them offensively.
MJ had the perfect compliment in pippen, LBJ has never had anyone remotely close to pippen to play with. That elevates LBJ even more to me.
Honestly I see where LBJ is better than Jordan in certain respects, but Jordan was simply a killer. LBJ is not and that holds him back just a count hair in this discussion. MJ owned the end of games. Look at the stats of final game winning attempts he took and failed on. It is like 40 something games MJ missed the game winner. being a straight up mother fricker wins this argument for MJ right now.
But damn LBJ is great
Wade is garbage and kills them offensively.
MJ had the perfect compliment in pippen, LBJ has never had anyone remotely close to pippen to play with. That elevates LBJ even more to me.
Honestly I see where LBJ is better than Jordan in certain respects, but Jordan was simply a killer. LBJ is not and that holds him back just a count hair in this discussion. MJ owned the end of games. Look at the stats of final game winning attempts he took and failed on. It is like 40 something games MJ missed the game winner. being a straight up mother fricker wins this argument for MJ right now.
But damn LBJ is great
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:31 am to supatigah
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Honestly I see where LBJ is better than Jordan in certain respects, but Jordan was simply a killer.
It's this right here. Everyone in the LBJ corner wants to harp on his physical abilities all day. No one is taking away from that.
But MJ was going to win, and there's nothing you could do about it. LBJ just isn't that guy.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:31 am to supatigah
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being a straight up mother fricker wins this argument for MJ right now.
i will say this again. jordan never becomes jordan if he has to live in today's media world
his mystique, his legend, etc. hell, he's having trouble being the artest formerly known as MJ today in the media
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:31 am to okietiger
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especially the final minute.
He made a 3 to keep the game close during that time.
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