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re: LeBron: Giannis would have 250 points in a game if he played in the '70s
Posted on 3/27/25 at 6:38 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 3/27/25 at 6:38 am to Bench McElroy
So Walton, Lanier, Gilmore, Kareem and Wilt just gonna let him drive and dunk at will huh?
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:26 am to Tiger Ugly
I didn’t read the entire thread but I’m disappointed Mccafey didn’t call him out for the Bronny stuff. Mcaffey towed the LeBron company line.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:29 am to Powerman
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There are broke high school kids that would dominate the 70s NBA today.
No, there are not.
Kareem played in the 70s. Moses Malone played in the 70s. Pete Maravich played in the 70s.
There are high school players who could play and compete, just as there are high school players who could play and compete in today’s NBA.
But a high school player today would not be the same if he were a high school player in a different era. He would be subject to all the other variables that those players were.
It’s a moronic argument.
No one ever takes the other side:
Take Moses Malone, as a kid, put him at Monteverde playing basketball everyday with full time coaches, dietary training, etc.
There hasn’t been some genetic leap in basketball talent. It’s training, coaching, nutrition, advances in the game, etc.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:04 am to Madking
Dumbest arguments ever. It’s like when Cowherd says Babe Ruth would be a singles hitter because he was 6’3 215 before he gained weight. He was born like 42 years after the Civil War so genetics wise he would be as big or bigger than Judge today and with the training advantages his natural strength would have been ridiculous. I love the guy that says any decent slasher is getting to the rim at will in the 70’s. You know how I know you never watched playoff ball in the 70’s? He’s not getting to the rim in the 70’s, maybe the third row. When McHale clotheslined Rambis that was a 2 shot fouls not even a Tech. Players from any era that were great would always be great because that’s what being great is, the old guys would be bigger, stronger and faster today and LeBron would have been completely different if he was born in 1954.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:53 am to 1BamaRTR
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Because they’ve had access to modern nutrition and training for most of their lives. A lot of these guys have been receiving intensive amounts of both these things since they were kids.
Making them better athletes than guys 50 years ago.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Take Moses Malone, as a kid, put him at Monteverde playing basketball everyday with full time coaches, dietary training, etc.
There hasn’t been some genetic leap in basketball talent. It’s training, coaching, nutrition, advances in the game, etc.
So what you're saying is that today's players are much better than the ones who played in previous eras?
If Jaren Jackson played 40 years ago they would build statues and talk about him like he's God
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:28 pm to tigre704
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So what you're saying is that today's players are much better than the ones who played in previous eras?
If Jaren Jackson played 40 years ago they would build statues and talk about him like he's God
If that's what you took away from my post, then I can't help you.
But you probably think scientists today are much smarter than Albert Einstein, who couldn't even use a computer.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:38 pm to JackVincennes
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Players from any era that were great would always be great because that’s what being great is, the old guys would be bigger, stronger and faster today and LeBron would have been completely different if he was born in 1954.
A good example of this is Billy Cannon. He was 6-1, 210 running back. People would say that a guy like him wouldn't be able to compete in the modern era of football. Well, if he was exposed to modern training and nutrition, he would've been a monster and just as good in the current era.
Proof: His son, Billy Cannon Jr., with similar genetics, was a first-round draft pick 30 years later.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:21 pm to tigre704
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So what you're saying is that today's players are much better than the ones who played in previous eras?
Yeah he keeps listing all the things that make today’s athletes better than guys 50 years ago.
I think his argument is that given the same resources, those guys would be just as good. Yeah maybe, but they weren’t given those resources, so they aren’t as good.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:39 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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But you probably think scientists today are much smarter than Albert Einstein, who couldn't even use a computer.
You’re arguing that nutrition and training from childhood make athletes today superior. Having a computer doesn’t make a scientist smarter than Einstein.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:51 pm to Stonehog
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Today’s players are simply better, like every other sport on earth.
Not necessarily true. If you look at sports like track & field, swimming, etc. the athletes themselves remain relatively unchanged over decades. The large jumps in better results/faster times actually come from equipment and technological advances, as opposed to human advances.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:52 pm to Stonehog
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You’re arguing that nutrition and training from childhood make athletes today superior. Having a computer doesn’t make a scientist smarter than Einstein.
My argument is that you can't change one variable - time - and leave all the other variables unchanged.
Would George Washington be a great president today?
Would Neil Armstrong qualify as an astronaut today?
To compare people from different eras, you have to compare them IN their era. You can't teleport people that exist under different variables, and insert them into a completely different world. It's illogical.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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My argument is that you can't change one variable - time - and leave all the other variables unchanged.
In terms of argument with athletes in different eras, that's exactly what you have to do though.
We know exactly what athletes were 20 years ago and what athletes are today. When people (ESPN) bring these comparisons up. They are literally comparing those players in their previous primes against each other.
To try and change the athletes 1st 20 years of life via nutrition\training\equipment\etcc AND THEN compare them is silly. But in a sense, aren't all of these comparisons stupid anyways?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:09 pm to TigerMan327
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We know exactly what athletes were 20 years ago and what athletes are today. When people (ESPN) bring these comparisons up. They are literally comparing those players in their previous primes against each other.
I don’t think so. If that were the case then no player in any sport from 30+ years ago would ever be on any “best of” list.
Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and classic players from all sports are regularly listed among the best players ever in their sports.
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But in a sense, aren't all of these comparisons stupid anyways?
Yes
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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But you probably think scientists today are much smarter than Albert Einstein, who couldn't even use a computer.
Exactly! I bet he wouldn't even know how to work one of our phones, and my 4 year old daughter can. Albert wasn't as smart as they say he was.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 4:47 pm to Madking
quote:I didn’t watch LSU basketball this year but I know they sucked.
You didn’t watch that team play. You probably weren’t born yet
MJ was terrible on the Dream Team.
How can one say otherwise?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 4:54 pm to ReauxlTide222
MJ was terrible on the dream team???? I usually don’t mind your bias Bron posts, BUT this statement is just beyond trolling.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 5:04 pm to dukke v
He shot 21.1% from 3 on the Dream Team. Good for dead last on the team.
Is that good?
Is that good?
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 5:54 pm to ReauxlTide222
You obviously don’t know anything and you just admitted it.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 5:59 pm to ReauxlTide222
How was his % on dunks?? Which he had more than 3 point shots… to be fair, Bron would not even made that team.
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