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Kurt Warner is very critical of QB coaching at the college level
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:10 am
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Kurt Warner
I know many of you LOVE college football, but as I start to dive into these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level… and then ppl are asked to figure out how good they will be at next level!? (Nearly impossible in my mind)
For me CJ Stroud is a great example - obviously really good in college & OSU runs more pro-style concepts than most but they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU - so I had no idea he would be so good at processing so fast! He’s better in NFL than what we got to see in college, but many times you just don’t know until you know!
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@daverichard
It’s an issue I’m having with Jayden Daniels watching his film now. Great arm, great legs, good vision when running but so far I can’t tell if he can make full-field reads.
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Kurt Warner
That’s who I’m watching now also… and Williams, so talented, concepts get no one open, OL bad so running for his life, then when things are open he plays too fast or doesn’t see things, so how do you evaluate? Do you just say “gifted thrower” & hope it all translates when things are good around him?
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Kurt Warner
QBs are always hard no doubt… but I think even harder now bc the game is built so differently and less QBs are taught the things they need in NFL (or even if taught, don’t use the skills they need at next level nearly enough for ppl to know)!
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Kurt Warner
I’ll be the first to admit I am NOT a college football expert, I really only watch intently when preparing for combine & draft… but trying to do a piece on relatable throws top guys made that they will be asked to make at “combine”, after 6 games of 2 of top guys - I saw slants, outs & 2 IN routes (I’m sure more are there, just hard to believe it’s taking me so much time to find them)… that’s where my perspective is coming from this am!
Someone replied that it's not a coaches job to prepare them for the pros
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Agreed, but also feel a coaches responsibility is to prepare the guys that have the chance to go to next level!!
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:12 am to RLDSC FAN
“Agreed” and then completely contradicts the agreement
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:12 am to RLDSC FAN
Nothing I live for more than Kurt Warner takes
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:13 am to RLDSC FAN
College coaches get paid millions by the university, their job is to have them produce in college. The QBs he is talking about did that
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:14 am to RLDSC FAN
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so far I can’t tell if he can make full-field reads
If you turn on Daniels tape this year, the first thing you notice is his eyes moving across the field
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:15 am to RLDSC FAN
Offensive line play in college football is awful.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:17 am to RLDSC FAN
I get what he's saying but the unfortunate truth is that the college coaches job is to win games, not do scouting for the nfl. I know they want their guys in the pros doing well but if theyre winning games and getting paid thats all that matters
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:17 am to Cregg
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Offensive line play in college football is awful.
At all levels. It's a huge issue. The NFL is struggling mightily with Oline play. It's why the product has suffered, IMO
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:18 am to RLDSC FAN
Warner has a point, but he and many other people who criticize college and high school coaching all miss one very important detail: coaches are not being paid to prep guys for the next level. They are paid to coach and win at their level. So if they're winning and their players have good fundamentals, who cares if they aren't learning what next level coaches are requiring. That's why you have coaches there...to teach what the guys that make it don't know. The other 99% are moving on with their lives after football.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:21 am to RLDSC FAN
If they’re a great qb coach then you’ll likely find yourself in the NFL in short order.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:33 am to lsupride87
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College coaches get paid millions by the university, their job is to have them produce in college. The QBs he is talking about did that
Exactly.
If a college HC takes a HS QB, then overloads him with pro-level concepts and throws, he may eventually pick it up after a few years....but the HC may not be there to reap the benefits because he has already been fired for not winning.
I thought a lot of what LSU did with Daniels was pretty simplistic. But it worked for LSU. So why would Kelly go away from it? I'm sure the fans would be quite understanding if LSU went 7-5 but Daniels was a little bit more ready to potentially produce earlier in the NFL
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:39 am to Alt26
“So lsu had the most productive offense in all of college football, but they didn’t develop the qb as great as they could for the nfl”
It’s a laughable concept
It’s a laughable concept
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:40 am to MasterAbe1
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If you turn on Daniels tape this year, the first thing you notice is his eyes moving across the field
Just because they are moving doesn't mean he is seeing what he needs to be seeing. In fact, that was the big problem in 2022. Guys were open. He just wasn't identifying it fast enough.
This year he was better. But a lot of what LSU did wasn't terribly complex. Basically, it was a lot of "if you see Nabers or BTJ in a one on one matchup" put it up. Or, if you see the defense playing a zone figure out where you are going to go and get it in the vicinity of those two WRs. Obviously it wasn't THAT simple, but that was the general idea. And why not? That's what you SHOULD do when you have two 1st round caliber WRs who are better than 95% of the DBs they were facing. And it worked.
BK's job was to put together the best offense he could with his players. And he did just that. It's Daniel's NFL HC/OC's job to do such on their level.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:40 am to Alt26
Warner knows... his college coach prepared him for a career bagging groceries until divine intervention occurred.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:41 am to RLDSC FAN
Essentially he is complaining that College Football isn’t as complex as the NFL? Isn’t that obvious?
I guess his point is don’t get too caught up in evaluating college QBs for the NFL. People can act like Williams is the best, but Nix could end up being better than him. You don’t really know until you see them get coached up in the NFL.
Fitting that it’s coming from an undrafted HOF/Super Bowl winning qb who started 1 year at UNI.
I guess his point is don’t get too caught up in evaluating college QBs for the NFL. People can act like Williams is the best, but Nix could end up being better than him. You don’t really know until you see them get coached up in the NFL.
Fitting that it’s coming from an undrafted HOF/Super Bowl winning qb who started 1 year at UNI.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:43 am to Pedro
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I get what he's saying but the unfortunate truth is that the college coaches job is to win games, not do scouting for the nfl.
Correct
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:44 am to RLDSC FAN
Every college player who wants to be a pro should have external coaches outside of the college. My son sure AF will…but i guess that goes without saying for kickers. My son was traveling to see a professional coach in 8th grade…sure as hell won’t stop just because he’ll play in the SEC.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:50 am to RLDSC FAN
There are 134 FBS schools and Warner is disappointed in the QB play?
There are not even enough good QBs for each NFL team to have one and he things there should be dozens of them in college?
Because they aren't good. The run the same play over and over, because many of them can't read a defense or remember plays. They run a million bubble screens because they have weak arms.
None of this is news. How many NFL starting QBs come out of the draft each year? 3 or 4, maybe?
There are not even enough good QBs for each NFL team to have one and he things there should be dozens of them in college?
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these college QBs, it’s hard for me to even watch: very few play on schedule, the pass concepts are a mess most of the time, they run the same play over & over, a million bubble screens, can’t find many concepts that translate to next level…
Because they aren't good. The run the same play over and over, because many of them can't read a defense or remember plays. They run a million bubble screens because they have weak arms.
None of this is news. How many NFL starting QBs come out of the draft each year? 3 or 4, maybe?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:51 am to Bottom9
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Nothing I live for more than Kurt Warner takes
What about freshly stocked shelves and properly rotated can goods?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:55 am to Gaston
quote:He is a kicker. Kicking doesn’t change between college and the pros
Every college player who wants to be a pro should have external coaches outside of the college. My son sure AF will…but i guess that goes without saying for kickers. My son was traveling to see a professional coach in 8th grade…sure as hell won’t stop just because he’ll play in the SEC.
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