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re: Kurt Warner - Best 4 game stretch in NFL history?
Posted on 12/7/09 at 12:34 am to Charles Bronson
Posted on 12/7/09 at 12:34 am to Charles Bronson
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I'm not sure if he was given a fair shake in any of those QB controversies.
HOF QB's dont need a fair shake. They stay on one team for a while, win, and play good.
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His ups and downs just reiterate the overall lack of respect he's gotten over his career.
for nearly 5 years worth of games..??
he fizzled out at the end of his career his STL...had he been THAT good, then he is still a St Louis Ram.
He was 0-7 in this last games a Ram...Marc Bulger with the same team went 6-1 after taking over, then 12-3 the next year as a full time starter.
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:01 am to Lester Earl
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Tom Brady has jewelry...a lot of it
He has been to 3 super bowls to Brady's 4. I think that Warner's three appearances rank as some of the best by a quarterback all time. It is kind of stupid to hold the jewelry argument against him.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:06 am to lsutiger2486
i wasnt comparing Brady to Warner. try and follow
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:20 am to tigerguy121
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3 great years with the Rams ETA: Actually 2 great years sandwhiched around an average year with the Rams
an average year?
In 2000, during his average year he:
Made the Pro Bowl
Averaged 312 yards a game passing, (5th best all time)
Was 3rd in the NFL in Passer Rating
Was 7th in the TD passes, even though he only played 11 games
Led the NFL in:
Passing Yards per game
Yards per pass attempt
Yards per pass completed
Passes completed per game
Completion percentage
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:24 am to SPEEDY
Teams like the Rams, Giants, and Cards did not feel the pressure to start a HOF QB? 
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:31 am to GynoSandberg
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Teams like the Rams, Giants, and Cards did not feel the pressure to start a HOF QB?
The Giants and Cardinals felt the pressure to start their $50 million dollar high draft pick investments. This and only this is the reason Warner didn't start at NYG or Arizona early. If you think otherwise then you're a douche.
It absolutely has nothing to do with the better QB playing...or Warner "losing" out in a QB battle. Only a handful of QBs drafted in top 10 in the past 10 years didn't start the majority of their games their first year (JRuss obviously one of them, missed the majority of training camp that first year)
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 1:38 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:37 am to SPEEDY
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In 2000, during his average year he
he threw for 3500 yards 21 TDs and 18 INTs, the highest INT % of his career.
Though he did only fumble it 4 times, something he has had a problem with his whole career.
Not to mention if you go look at Trent Green's #'s for the games he filled in for Warner, they are pretty close. Just another piece of evidence in the he was surrounded by great players argument
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 1:40 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:38 am to ATL_Tiger
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This and only this is the reason Warner didn't start at NYG or Arizona early. If you think otherwise then you're a douche.
in other words, he wasnt that good.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:39 am to ATL_Tiger
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The Rams and Cardinals felt the pressure to start their $50 million dollar high draft pick investments. This and only this is the reason Warner didn't start at NYG or Arizona early
LINK?
warner is going to be a first ballot
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:39 am to tigerguy121
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he threw for 3500 yards 21 TDs and 18 INTs, the highest INT % of his career.
Notice this was through 11 games. That's a 5000 yard pace and 30 TDs. Sure that's a lot of high INTs, but you'll see plenty of QBs in the HOF with a year or two of high INT numbers.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:40 am to GynoSandberg
frick, meant the Giants. Obviously I was fricking talking about Eli...
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:41 am to ATL_Tiger
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Notice this was through 11 game
Great but we don't give out awards and HOF inductions for paces. You've got to be on the field to be productive, and even though it was injuries he still wasn't on the field.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:42 am to Lester Earl
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in other words, he wasnt that good.
Oh yea...obviously...I guess that's why when he actually got the chance to start he put up 27 TDs and 17 INTs
it just goes to show the pressure of starting your high draft pick investments. Nothing to do with being good or not.Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:42 am to tigerguy121
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Great but we don't give out awards and HOF inductions for paces. You've got to be on the field to be productive, and even though it was injuries he still wasn't on the field.
no shite...but you originally stated that was a mediocre season. In no way can that production through 11 games be considered mediocre...
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:44 am to ATL_Tiger
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but you originally stated that was a mediocre season.
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In no way can that production through 11 games be considered mediocre...
See the difference? He had a great 11 games, as a season it was average
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 1:45 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:48 am to ATL_Tiger
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Nothing to do with being good or not.
5 years without earning a full time starting gig
even in between he had chances to start multiple games, and couldnt stick
in the middle of his prime
thats a sign of a sure fire hall of famer....
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:49 am to tigerguy121
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You've got to be on the field to be productive, and even though it was injuries he still wasn't on the field.
again, just to clarify, you are saying that this is an average year:
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Made the Pro Bowl
Averaged 312 yards a game passing, (5th best all time)
Was 3rd in the NFL in Passer Rating
Was 7th in the TD passes, even though he only played 11 games
Led the NFL in:
Passing Yards per game
Yards per pass attempt
Yards per pass completed
Passes completed per game
Completion percentage
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:51 am to tigerguy121
You're really going to say a season is mediocre because he got injured? so Jordan plays 60 games and averages 30 PPG and then misses rest of season due to injuries, and you're going to call that mediocre, because he doesn't have as many total points that season as someone who averages 20 points? That's pretty ridiculous. I mean, I guess you can do that, but that's probably the most retarded way to look at things...
I mean, Montana probably had like 3 total seasons where he had more than 3500 yards...so even by your mediocre standards, that's still a lot.
I mean, Montana probably had like 3 total seasons where he had more than 3500 yards...so even by your mediocre standards, that's still a lot.
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 1:56 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:55 am to SPEEDY
I'm saying 3500 yards, 21 TDs, and 18 INTS, especially compared to his great years, is average.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 1:57 am to tigerguy121
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I'm saying 3500 yards, 21 TDs, and 18 INTS, especially compared to his great years, is average.
LoL so now you're comparing those totals that he put up in 11 games, to 2 of the greatest seasons in NFL history, and saying those totals are average?
Oh dear...not even Lester will stick up for your arguments
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 1:58 am
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