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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:32 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:32 pm to
im not getting into this

you're clearly showing your biases and it is clearly affecting your judgment
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:32 pm to
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in what way does Wade have a better all around game? Have you actually watched any Heat games this season?


I realize Wade isn't a GREAT post player, but at least he tries to incorporate it from time to time.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:33 pm to
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you're clearly showing your biases and it is clearly affecting your judgment


I try
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:33 pm to
it seems to me, from his examples of an "all around better game", that unknownknight regards scoring points as the only facet of the game
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:35 pm to
and if we're using flat out getting buckets as our barometer, then kevin durant IS the best player in the world
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:37 pm to
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it seems to me, from his examples of an "all around better game", that unknownknight regards scoring points as the only facet of the gam


Have you read my earlier posts in this thread? I obviously talk about defense, etc. If you wanna compare rebounds, well, Lebron is a forward and Kobe is a guard, so he SHOULD get more rebounds. If you wanna talk about assists, it's still the same ole' same ole' with Lebron, hold...hold..then pass as the clock nears the 24 seconds. Have you not noticed Wade's assist numbers have TANKED this year when Lebron is in the game?

ETA: And Kobe is in the triangle which is designed to spread the passing around the floor. For reference, look at Jordan's drop in assists when the triangle was fully implemented in Phil Jackson's second year.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 4:39 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:40 pm to
forward how? based soley on his size or how he is utilized in the offense?

your assist "argument" is so asinine that i wont even address it... come up with something better than that, please
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 4:41 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:41 pm to
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If you wanna talk about assists, it's still the same ole' same ole' with Lebron, hold...hold..then pass as the clock nears the 24 seconds.




Statements like this make me think you aren't actually watching any of their games. Lebron had some great assists yesterday in the open court in transition, feeding Wade and Bosh alley oops early in the shot clock, etc. He was actually creating open buckets rather than doing what you're describing.

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Have you not noticed Wade's assist numbers have TANKED this year when Lebron is in the game?


Lebron runs their offense the majority of the time because he's the best at it, which is part of why people think he has a better all around game than Wade.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:42 pm to
Yea. Durant is the best scorer in the league.

As far as overall top 4.

1) James
2) Wade/Bryant
3) Bryant/Wade
4) Durant
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:43 pm to
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Uh...I'm assuming you mean statistically only. Because on the court, Kobe and Wade have better all around games.

You can bump this when Lebron learns what the phrases "back to the basket" and "post up move" mean


Why are we even talking about post games when talking about to guards and a point forward?

Also when has Lebron played or needed to play enough in the post to make a true evaluation. Maybe when Lebron gets older, slows down, and needs to play more of a traditional power forward role we will be able to evaluate this.

I don't think Wade has played enough in the post for you to say he can do it or not either.

The only reason someone might be able to evaluate a post game with Kobe is because of the Lakers use of the Triangle offense. The offense itself has moved him into the post at times during games. I don't know how that proves anything as Wade and Lebron would thrive in the Laker's system also.

Right now Lebron's combination of size and skills establishes him solidly in front.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:48 pm to
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forward how? based soley on his size or how he is utilized in the offense?




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i wont even address it


Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:54 pm to
so how ESPN chooses to categorize a player is the end-all, be-all of their game?

as you see it, do you call him a forward because of the way he plays or solely because of his size? please dont insult us (or yourself) by using the "but ESPN says so!!" argument
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:02 pm to
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yeah, this argument was definitively settled when Lebron went to Miami because he couldn't handle leading a team on his own


Lebron is the leader and best player on this team.

No clue at all why people say differently.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:03 pm to
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so how ESPN chooses to categorize a player is the end-all, be-all of their game?

as you see it, do you call him a forward because of the way he plays or solely because of his size? please dont insult us (or yourself) by using the "but ESPN says so!!" argument




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Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:03 pm to
alexlsu is a huge laker fan, but at least he is knowledgable about basketball and looked at the argument objectively

this other guy is almost laughable in his "arguments" as to why kobe is better
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:05 pm to
are you familiar with the term "point forward"

what other forward do you see bringing the ball up the court most of the game?

know what, dont worry about it

i dont want to waste anymore of my time

kobe da best 4EVA and EVA!!!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:05 pm to
I don't care what there official positions say, it's laughable to think Lebron and Kobe aren't playing the same "position".


You can point out what any website says his position is, but if you actually watch games, you would know the truth about the "positions" they play.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:06 pm to
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alexlsu is a huge laker fan, but at least he is knowledgable about basketball and looked at the argument objectively

this other guy is almost laughable in his "arguments" as to why kobe is better


Yet, you fail to address the affect the triangle has on individual assist numbers and Wade's mysterious drop in assists while Lebron still passes out later in the shot clock.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:07 pm to
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I don't care what there official positions say, it's laughable to think Lebron and Kobe aren't playing the same "position".


Then what "position" is Wade playing when Lebron is on the floor? Center?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 5:10 pm to
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Then what "position" is Wade playing when Lebron is on the floor? Center?


They're both guards, obviously.

YOu seem to think EVERY player on the court HAS to fit into the PG, SG, SF, PF, C role, when that is simply not true, and quite obvious, IMO.
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