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Posted on 8/26/08 at 3:18 pm to Shoulderchoke
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Kimbo's opponents
Bo Cantrell - 10 Wins 11 Loses and Lost last 5 fights in a row
Tank Abbot - 9 Wins 14 Loses and 1-9 fights in his last 10 fights
James Thompson - 14 wins 9 loses and is 2-9 in his last 11 fights.
Look at the first three fights of the UFC roster, 90% will have fought guys with WORSE records. He has really fought some solid fighters, for a beginer (although they have all left bad tastes in our mouths).
Posted on 8/26/08 at 3:26 pm to Shoulderchoke
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Look at the first three fights of the UFC roster, 90% will have fought guys with WORSE records.
but look at their most recent records, and their abilities when they fought Kimbo. Cantrell, Abbott, and thompson were a combined 3 Wins and 23 Losses in the most recent years leading up to their Kimbo fights. That is really, really, pathetic. I bet you can't find any current UFC fighter who's first 3 opponents have that poor of a record leading up to their fights with them.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 3:58 pm to Shoulderchoke
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**heads to fight finder**
nice. i was going to look for myself before going out on a limb and saying that, but damn i'm lazy.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 3:59 pm to Shoulderchoke
quote:lol Tito is a wrestler and has better ground then shamrock. He couldn't take tito down and even if he did advantage would have went to tito sorry. Fugita was as strong as an oxe and it was very hard for ken to out wrestle fugita. Did you watch the Sean sherk vs BJ Penn fight. Sean sherks greatest strength is wrestling and hes very good at it yet he chose to bang with BJ because he has great takedown defense and its hard to keep him down. Shamrock did the same with tito and fugita. If you think Shamrock has a clear advantage on the ground over tito then you don't know what your talking about obviously. Tito isn't a striker and is very poor at it actually if u know anything about MMA and Sham knew that so he thought thats where his best chance to win would be. I can't believe you think Sham is better on the ground then tito lol. Not to mention in Sham's day he was so good because he didn't really have anyone that could challenge him like today. MMA has come so far since those days and fighters are more well rounded and just plain better. How do you know what his mentality was? You assume alot don't you? Thats subjective at best and I didn't see it sorry. Even if that is the case like you say and Sham just wanted to keep banging with everyone maybe thats because he got old and everyone got stronger and he couldn't take people down like he once could? I dunno is that crazy to think that way? Sham can't just oppose his will on anyone he fights if he just goes for the takedown especially if there actually good like u seem to believe. Also as far as Fujita goes he was also a national champion in Japan in Greco-Roman wrestling. It's just funny to read this because the sad thing is you think you are actually right lol. Ask anyone about MMA and they would tell you the same thing....wheres KBreezy at huh?
You really seem to be blind to the obvious
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 4:37 pm to Shoulderchoke
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**heads to fight finder**
Good luck with that.
While you are there compare Kimbo's opponents record to Frank Mir's and Herring's record.
Mir and Herring were Lesnar's first opponents.
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 4:53 pm to SmackDaniels
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lol Tito is a wrestler and probably has better ground then shamrock. He couldn't take tito down and even if he did advantage would have went to tito sorry. Fugita was as strong as an oxe and it was very hard for ken to out wrestle fugita. Did you watch the Sean sherk vs BJ Penn fight. Sean sherks greatest strength is wrestling and hes very good at it yet he chose to bang with BJ because he has great takedown defense and its hard to keep him down. Shamrock did the same with tito and fugita. If you think Shamrock has a clear advantage on the ground over tito then you don't know what your talking about obviously. Tito isn't a striker and is very poor at it actually if u know anything about MMA and Sham knew that so he thought thats where his best chance to win would be. I can't believe you think Sham is better on the ground then tito lol. How do you know what his mentality was? You assume alot don't you? Thats subjective at best and I didn't see it sorry. Even if that is the case like you say and Sham just wanted to keep banging with everyone maybe thats because he got old and everyone got stronger and he couldn't take people down like he once could? I dunno is that crazy to think that way? It's just funny to read this because the sad thing is you think you are actually right lol. Ask anyone about MMA and they would tell you the same thing....wheres KBreezy at huh?
Its absolutely amazing that you could be so wrong. Tito has great wrestling and great g'n'p, BUT going into the first fight Shamrock was still known as a true Freestyle fighter, a great wrestler with good G'n'p and very good subs. Shamrock didnt strike with Tito because he thought that was his best advantage, he only stood with him because he is just as stubborn as Frank and wanted to prove a point. Since then that is all he's done. You really need to go rewatch some fights. Why would he think that his striking would be an advantage against Fujita who had NEVER been KO'd.
If you think the reason that he has only tried to stand and bang for the last seven years is strictly advantaged based, youre delusional.
Please go get Kyle Bradley, Id love to hear his insight on this.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 4:58 pm to Shoulderchoke
quote:Again how do u know this were u inside shams head at the time to know his mentality? like I said thats subjective. Also Fujita was a national champion in Japan in Greco-Roman wrestling, but I'm sure sham felt he could dominate him on the ground lol. If hes as stubborn as you say he is about striking which i strongly disagree with then you answered you own question about why he chose to bang with fujita didn't you lol. Ken wanted to be de first man to KOOOOOO him using ur theory? please just stop.
Shamrock didnt strike with Tito because he thought that was his best advantage, he only stood with him because he is just as stubborn
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 4:59 pm to Shoulderchoke
BTW, A former King of Pancrase, who learned catch wrestling from Karl Gotch and Funaki is scared to go to the ground with Robert Berry, dont make me vomit.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:00 pm to Shoulderchoke
Shamrock would get murdered by Tito no matter where the fight went IMO.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:02 pm to Shoulderchoke
Accomplishments in Pancrase are only slightly more relevant than WWF wins over the Undertaker and Hunter Hearst Helmsley. The Dan Severn win is basically Ken's only true MMA win over an "impressive" fighter, so his accomplishments should rank accordingly. Clearly, he's ahead of Severn conquests like Shannon Ritch, but beyond that it gets subjective. Ken is shite on due to the quality of opponent in the early UFC. Those were the best opponents there were *at the time* Same with the guys in Pancrase, who by the way have a track record of success. As do the fighters he trained in the Lion's Den.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:08 pm to Shoulderchoke
All u come up with is subjective BS like ur inside the guys head and know what hes thinking, which you don't. Like I said fujita was a greco roman national champion in wrestling and u failed to ackknowledge that. Aslo Tito was a Abu Dhabi wrestler and competed in the tournament to place third, just to lose in the semi's to Ricardo Arona, who is one of the best in the world without a contract right now. Tito had wins over the likes of matt hughes..etc in that tourney. So my little pal buddy sir, you are point blank wrong and no sham would not dominate any of these guys on the ground.
This post was edited on 8/26/08 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:18 pm to Cody101786
So for the last seven years, Ken has been so out matched on the ground, that he's had to stand with every opponent to win ??
Thats your logic.
Thats your logic.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:20 pm to Roughneck
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And then Steve Blackman nex
the lethal weapon would whoop his fricking arse
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:22 pm to Shoulderchoke
It's not just about being outmatched, Ken is 45 years old. He is old and fighters today like I said are better, more skilled, and more well rounded. Just look at what matt hughes did to royce gracie. Just goes to show you that the fighters now are better and more competitive. Ken does gameplan against fighters with weak ground games and uses the takedown then, but if he thinks he is overmatched he will strike. Unfortunately for Ken yes he has been overmatched for some time now.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:24 pm to Cody101786
If Shammy beats Kimbo, will a wave of tards come forth proclaiming his return to the upper echelon of MMA?
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:28 pm to St Augustine
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Tito had wins over the likes of matt hughes.
He also had about 35-40 lbs on Hughes too and he didnt dominate him. Terrible example.
I can see where youre coming from with me "thinking" what Ken was doing. Fujita was a greco-roman wrestler, but if you are comfortable enough in what you do, you should do it. Dont let someone else dictate your game. If thats what he's been doing for the past 7 years, thats why his record is so terrible.
Posted on 8/26/08 at 5:30 pm to Shoulderchoke
I always think of MMA like this... At one time, If you were really great at one thing you could win. Then came guys who were great at two things (Hughes, Tito) and they dominated. Now we're seeing the true evolution of the sport where you have to have all three aspects of MMA PLUS cardio or you will be beaten (like Hughes and Tito are).
Posted on 8/26/08 at 6:16 pm to Shoulderchoke
On another note, what if after Shamrock, Kimbo gets Royce, then Severn, then Frye. He would have basically beaten all of the Forefathers of MMA.
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