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re: Just one more reason why LeBron is better then Jordan
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:17 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:17 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:With the way people talk about the importance of titles, it's not like he has 1 more title, I'd assume that 11 would be plenty enough to mean something.
How many teams were in the league when Russell was dominating the 60's? How many teams were in the league in the 90's? How many teams are in the league now?
The truth in most cases is that it matters when it's convenient to help with your(not literally you) argument.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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He got touched on the face from someones arm and went flailing to the ground like he get knocked out.
He got smacked in the face across the bridge of his nose. Hard. That takes a second to recover from.
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and to answer your question, No i don't think he could handle the physical play. Should his body be able to? yes. But his pussy mentality and trying to flop all the time just wouldn't work. I think someone would eventually just punch him in the face or really elbow him on purpose so he'd actually see what it's like to fall down b/c he actually got hit and not b/c he was flopping.
Somehow I get the feeling that he would be able to adjust just fine if the league was allowing full on muggings like they did back then. He actually gets hit all the time.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:18 am to shel311
truth
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:18 am to VADawg
quote:You could probably easily argue that Lebron was better in that series than Jordan was in any series ever. Obviously, i'm saying that without looking, but I'm just about certain you can argue it.
2009 ECF is a perfect series to bring up here. LeBron was the best player in the NBA at that point, and was absolutely dominant that entire series. If you rank out the players in that series, LeBron was the best, and then Orlando had about the next six. Yet people want to blame LeBron for Cleveland losing that series. LeBron spent his first seven years dragging piles of shite as far as anyone possibly could.
And yet, CLE lost in 6, if I recall.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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No i don't think he could handle the physical play
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:20 am to shel311
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And yet, CLE lost in 6, if I recall
They did. LeBron averaged 39/8/8 on 49% shooting but the rest of that team (and Mike Brown) was so bad that they only managed to win two games. That Orlando team could flat out stroke it from deep and Brown's strategy was to double Howard and scramble to catch up to the wide open shooter. It didn't work.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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No i don't think he could handle the physical play.
Yeah, the NBA was loaded with three guards and two forwards at the time, amirite?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:22 am to AU24
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Just one more reason why LeBron is better then Jordan
He's not
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:24 am to shel311
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With the way people talk about the importance of titles, it's not like he has 1 more title, I'd assume that 11 would be plenty enough to mean something.
The truth in most cases is that it matters when it's convenient to help with your(not literally you) argument.
The way I've always looked at it, fairly or not, is to say "was this player the best player in the league in a given period of time?" If yes, then the next criteria is, "Is the player one of the best players of all time?" If yes again, then I move into the nuts and bolts: MVPs, All Defensive teams, PER, Titles.
I'm not sure people consider Russell the best Center of all time. If he's not the best Center, how can he be the best player? It's not a knock on Russell and his 2 handfuls of rings. If you win 8 titles, but you're Robert Horry, you aren't in the GOAT debate. Russell is a great player, but may not even be a top 3 C of all time (Shaq, Kareem, Wilt and maybe Hakeem?)
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:25 am to AU24
It's almost like you want the downvotes.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:28 am to Buckeye06
quote:Again, not saying this is you but, but the 1st thing you hear after MJ is the GOAT is usually 6 rings.
I'm not sure people consider Russell the best Center of all time. If he's not the best Center, how can he be the best player?
If Russell has 11 rings, based on that logic that i'm opposed to, how in the world can he not be the best center?
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:31 am to PortCityTiger24
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Yeah, the NBA was loaded with three guards and two forwards at the time, amirite?
Now it's 4 guards and 1 forward
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:33 am to shel311
Jeez I almost wish Houston was still in the playoffs so we could focus on Harden, than this tired MSB arguement
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:35 am to AU24
Jordan entered the league in 1984.
Not a good time in history if you weren't a Celtic or Lakers. He wasted/earned 6 years pulling a bad franchise up by the bootstraps. Bulls were talked about in the same vein as the Clippers back then.
Jordan didn't go to LA or Boston or the Heat with All-Stars...he took a loser franchise and toiled to make them great...so I guess your stat proves, if you take shortcuts you can improve your stats...wonderful.
Not a good time in history if you weren't a Celtic or Lakers. He wasted/earned 6 years pulling a bad franchise up by the bootstraps. Bulls were talked about in the same vein as the Clippers back then.
Jordan didn't go to LA or Boston or the Heat with All-Stars...he took a loser franchise and toiled to make them great...so I guess your stat proves, if you take shortcuts you can improve your stats...wonderful.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:37 am to TeddyPadillac
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Now it's 4 guards and 1 forward
Yeah, but according to you (and no one else to my knowledge) a small forward is commonly called a 3 guard.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:37 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Scottie Pippen...Mo Williams...
Not a good time in history if you weren't a Celtic or Lakers. He wasted/earned 6 years pulling a bad franchise up by the bootstraps. Bulls were talked about in the same vein as the Clippers back then. Jordan didn't go to LA or Boston or the Heat with All-Stars...he took a loser franchise and toiled to make them great...so I guess your stat proves, if you take shortcuts you can improve your stats...wonderful.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:39 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:He also got a top 50 player of all time who finished 2nd in MVP voting
.he took a loser franchise and toiled to make them great.
But lets act like that didnt happen
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:43 am to LilWezyAna
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So going undefeated is worse than being defeated... hm I don't see logic there
Really?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:47 am to PortCityTiger24
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Yeah, but according to you (and no one else to my knowledge) a small forward is commonly called a 3 guard.
What is a Small Forward?
How do they differ from Shooting Guards?
Are you going to quote me some definition from James Naismith?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:54 am to buckeye_vol
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No. Kobe is an all time great, but his statistics in the playoffs indicate that he often did not have to shoulder the load as much as some of the other players you listed, as well as LeBron. This was obvious during the Shaq years, but even in his second non-Shaq championship he shot 6-24 in Game 7, and they still won.
Uhhh no to that! Stats are stocking stuffers. No one gives a shite bout em when its said and done. Just ask stockton, malone, barkley, ewing, miller. Remember all those fourth qtr moments from Kobe?! He was a closer and had a warrior's mentality. ....every game! Hell if you think about it, what we remember most about greats is them closing games and the celebrations. Your boy is a pansy people pleaser that doesn't fit that. I love and respect his personality but stop it with the goat baller talk!
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