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John Harbaugh...does he need another SB to be an HOF coach?
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:31 pm
He really is a damned good coach, but I think he needs another Lombardi to get there.
ETA: I am a dumbass
ETA: I am a dumbass
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:32 pm to udtiger
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He really is a damned good coach, but I think he needs another Lombardi to get there.
It depends on how long he coaches. Andy only has 1 as a HC, and he'll be a shoe in.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:33 pm to udtiger
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Jim Harbaugh
Needs to beat Ohio State first
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:34 pm to udtiger
You mean John? Harbaugh's resume is very similar to Bill Cowher except Cowher has one additional SB appearance. Playoff wins and career winning percentage is very, very similar. If Cowher didn't have the second SB appearance in 1995, would he be a HOF coach today? I think so. Harbs is a HOF coach in my book.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:35 pm to Bama Bird
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Jim Harbaugh
Needs to beat Ohio State first
Yes, he does.
Corrected.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:36 pm to udtiger
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Jim Harbaugh
He's still coaching for his job at this point. 5 years in with no victories over tOSU. Not a chance at the hall.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:37 pm to Bench McElroy
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You mean John? Harbaugh's resume is very similar to Bill Cowher except Cowher has one additional SB appearance. Playoff wins and career winning percentage is very, very similar. If Cowher didn't have the second SB appearance in 1995, would he be a HOF coach today? I think so. Harbs is a HOF coach in my book
Yes, corrected.
As I said, he's a great coach. In my opinion, he's an HOF coach. I just think for others he'll need a little more on the resume.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:39 pm to udtiger
If Bill Cowher can make it, I don't see why Harbaugh shouldn't be able to even without another SB win. Very similar records at this point in their careers.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:39 pm to udtiger
He was damn good taking over a pretty damn talented team in SF. Nobody else could get that talent out of them. People have definitely forgotten how good he was for the 9ers or dont care.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:41 pm to Bama Bird
He won a SB and helped Jerome Bettis get one too. I dont disagree just saying it will be remembered way more then anything Harbaugh has done.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:45 pm to udtiger
It may be a bit early for John to be considered. But he is a top 10 maybe top 5 coach in the league. Not to mention he has a ring, and I feel confident in saying he will win another one with Lamar as his qb.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:47 pm to Peter167
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He won a SB and helped Jerome Bettis get one too. I dont disagree just saying it will be remembered way more then anything Harbaugh has done.
The Ravens playoff run in 2012 is more memorable than anything Cowher's done. Mile High Miracle, beating Tom Brady and Belichick on the road by double digits in New England and then beating his brother in the Blackout Super Bowl.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 10:54 pm to Bench McElroy
You def made a good case. I guess I'm sucker for the old heads getting their ring.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:22 pm to Peter167
quote:I mean his predecessor (Singletary) was one of the worst coaches of the last 2 decades, slow that roll. Time has also made clear that Fangio and Roman were the studs on the coaching staff.
He was damn good taking over a pretty damn talented team in SF. Nobody else could get that talent out of them.
If John can make it another decade he's in. Much like Tomlin, the epitome of consistency.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:46 pm to RemouladeSawce
For guys with 100 or games coached, he has the 20th highest Winning Percentage and that will likely go up the next couple of years. He's 30th right now in all time wins and will enter the top 25 late this season, early next season and will probably finish next season in the top 20 all-time in wins.
If you believe Pete Carroll is in the Hall, then Harbaugh is as well. Harbaugh has the higher winning percentage and they have the same number of SB wins and the same number of playoff wins, but Harbaugh as two fewer losses.
If he retired today? probably not. 2 or 3 more very productive years? He's a yes. 5 or more and another Super Bowl? First Ballot (Do they do that for coaches?)
If you believe Pete Carroll is in the Hall, then Harbaugh is as well. Harbaugh has the higher winning percentage and they have the same number of SB wins and the same number of playoff wins, but Harbaugh as two fewer losses.
If he retired today? probably not. 2 or 3 more very productive years? He's a yes. 5 or more and another Super Bowl? First Ballot (Do they do that for coaches?)
Posted on 9/19/21 at 11:47 pm to RemouladeSawce
It's really interesting to me that John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, and Sean Payton are nearly identical coaches statistically. They all only coached at the one team, and all have one Super Bowl.
JH - 130-80 (.619) - Playoff Record - 11-8 (.579)
MT - 146-78-1 (.651) - Playoff Record - 8-8 (.500)
SP - 144-82 (.637) - Playoff Record - 9-8 (.529)
All three had very fast starts to their careers with the SB win coming within the first 5 seasons, and then all had a significant lull.
JH - 130-80 (.619) - Playoff Record - 11-8 (.579)
MT - 146-78-1 (.651) - Playoff Record - 8-8 (.500)
SP - 144-82 (.637) - Playoff Record - 9-8 (.529)
All three had very fast starts to their careers with the SB win coming within the first 5 seasons, and then all had a significant lull.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 9:22 am to OvertheDwayneBowe
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JH - 130-80 (.619) - Playoff Record - 11-8 (.579)
MT - 146-78-1 (.651) - Playoff Record - 8-8 (.500)
SP - 144-82 (.637) - Playoff Record - 9-8 (.529)
TD- 139-69 Playoff (.668) Record 9-10 (.474) is already in
Posted on 9/20/21 at 9:47 am to Bench McElroy
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You mean John? Harbaugh's resume is very similar to Bill Cowher except Cowher has one additional SB appearance. Playoff wins and career winning percentage is very, very similar. If Cowher didn't have the second SB appearance in 1995, would he be a HOF coach today? I think so. Harbs is a HOF coach in my book.
No way does Cowher deserve to be in the HOF but he's been on TV like Terrell Davis.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:22 am to udtiger
I think he’s a HoF coach. He ‘only’ has 1 SB win thus far, but the Ravens have been consistently good to great since he got there. 134+ wins, 50 games over .500, and a winning record in the playoffs.
For the sake of comparison with some coaches are already in the Hall, his numbers are almost identical to Tony Dungy, pretty close to Bill Cowher, and better than Dick Vermeil.
For the sake of comparison with some coaches are already in the Hall, his numbers are almost identical to Tony Dungy, pretty close to Bill Cowher, and better than Dick Vermeil.
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 11:24 am
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