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John Elway: Let's Put the Myth to bed. He's not a GOAT = He sucks
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:59 am
He's best "stat" is his comeback drives and those related games.
So I took those 50 games and combined all the stats from his "best" performances.
Behold the averages when averaged out as a game
19.82 completions
34.16 attempts
58% comp
253.26 yards
1 TD
1 INT
82.35 rating
73'rd all-time in passer rating
29TH IN PASSER RATING COMPARED TO HIS PEERS
So I took those 50 games and combined all the stats from his "best" performances.
Behold the averages when averaged out as a game
19.82 completions
34.16 attempts
58% comp
253.26 yards
1 TD
1 INT
82.35 rating
73'rd all-time in passer rating
29TH IN PASSER RATING COMPARED TO HIS PEERS
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 12:20 pm
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Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:00 pm to theunknownknight
He doesn't suck but he certainly has no business in any GOAT or top 3 or even top 5 discussion.
The mythology around him is weird.
The mythology around him is weird.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:01 pm to theunknownknight
Terrel Davis
Close the thread
Close the thread
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:05 pm to theunknownknight
He is the best I've ever seen play the position. He had it all, a cannon for an arm, accuracy, could run when needed, clutch, and could put a team on his back.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:11 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
John Elway: Let's Put the Myth to bed. He's not a GOAT = He sucks
The primary reasons the Broncos advanced to those 3 Super Bowls they did in the 1980s were:
-John Elway or the threat his arm and athleticism presented at all times
-the Denver defense
-Bobby Humphrey in 1989 (Elway's first better than average running back and helped the Broncos offense overcome Elway's struggles that season to win the games they did)
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:13 pm to RedHawk
quote:Did he have accuracy?
He is the best I've ever seen play the position. He had it all, a cannon for an arm, accuracy,
Pretty sure he was around league avg in completion %.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:14 pm to theunknownknight
He averaged less than 19 TD passes a season. His career high was 27.
He was very talented but no way is he a top 5 all-time QB.
He was very talented but no way is he a top 5 all-time QB.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:15 pm to PortCityTiger24
He played during a time when you could murder the QB and the WRs.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:15 pm to theunknownknight
Yeah, Elway is a difficult one. While you can't compare his stats to current day because the game is so different, he didn't stand out against his peers either.
On the other hand, he was one of the most athletic QBs of his era and had that clutch part to his game. I was fairly young during his prime but think (?) the Broncos would play most of the game conservative and then suddenly start airing it out in the 4th if needed.
While everyone points out Terrell Davis for the two SBs (and rightfully so), Elway also brought the Broncos to multiple SBs and was (if I remember) basically the entire offense. Even though they lost those SBs, it was during a stretch when the NFC won about 15 in a row or something.
On the other hand, he was one of the most athletic QBs of his era and had that clutch part to his game. I was fairly young during his prime but think (?) the Broncos would play most of the game conservative and then suddenly start airing it out in the 4th if needed.
While everyone points out Terrell Davis for the two SBs (and rightfully so), Elway also brought the Broncos to multiple SBs and was (if I remember) basically the entire offense. Even though they lost those SBs, it was during a stretch when the NFC won about 15 in a row or something.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:16 pm to shel311
quote:
He doesn't suck but he certainly has no business in any GOAT or top 3 or even top 5 discussion.
Talk about a clueless post. He's def in the discussion when it comes to the GOAT
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:17 pm to RedHawk
quote:Was that the same time Montana and Marino played?
He played during a time when you could murder the QB and the WRs.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:19 pm to litenin
quote:This times a million. It makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills that he gets in top discussions where guys say he's the GOAT.
e didn't stand out against his peers either.
He was above average for his era based on production/efficiency, he wasn't even elite in his own era, much less the best ever.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:19 pm to CapperVin
quote:
Talk about a clueless post. He's def in the discussion when it comes to the GOAT
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:19 pm to theunknownknight
He sucks? No. He went to 5 superbowls.
To be the greatest, your team needs to win. say what you want be but he lead successful teams.
To be the greatest, your team needs to win. say what you want be but he lead successful teams.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:20 pm to RedHawk
quote:
He played during a time when you could murder the QB and the WRs.
29TH IN PASSER RATING COMPARED TO HIS PEERS
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Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:21 pm to theunknownknight
Denver has been to 8 Super Bowls in it’s franchise history, and John Elway has had a hand in 7 of them...and all 3 wins.
That’s all I’m going to say.
He’s not the GOAT, though. That’s Peyton Manning.
That’s all I’m going to say.
He’s not the GOAT, though. That’s Peyton Manning.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:22 pm to OceanMan
quote:
To be the greatest, your team needs to win. say what you want be but he lead successful teams.
He carried those 80s teams on his back.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:22 pm to shel311
quote:
Was that the same time Montana and Marino played?
List of QBs who's career intersected with Elway's that have higher QB ratings:
Steve Young+
Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner+
Joe Montana+
Dan Marino+
Brett Favre+
Trent Green
Rich Gannon
Jim Kelly+
Mark Brunell
Steve McNair
Brian Griese
Neil Lomax
Brad Johnson
Ken Anderson
Bernie Kosar
Neil O'Donnell
Danny White
Troy Aikman+
Randall Cunningham
Dave Krieg
Boomer Esiason
Warren Moon+
Jeff Hostetler
Jeff George
Ken O'Brien
Steve Beuerlein
Dan Fouts+
Elway TOP5 all-time?
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:25 pm to theunknownknight
He’s a HOFer. DWI.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:27 pm to RedHawk
quote:Accuracy??? Averaged 56% over his career.
He had it all, a cannon for an arm, accuracy
Let's be real. The memory of Elway >>>>> The actual Elway
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