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Mithridates6
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
Well given that the record mentioned in the title of the thread pertains to his Michigan tenure, I didn't find that particularly relevant. It will take like 30 years for people to consider the Peach on the same tier as the Orange lmao, it used to be a consolation for SEC title game losers at best


Mithridates6
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
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Harbaugh hasn't pissed away nearly as much talent as Cooper did. Mark Richt is the only coach that I can think of on Cooper's level in that category

Pissed away? His 1996 and 1998 teams would've gotten in a playoff today. They were definitely more deserving than UF with its mulligan bs in 1996. Just bad luck.


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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
You showed your ignorance with that post. Since it’s a NewYears six bowl it has the same cachet as an orange bowl. The orange bowl is now basically the second-place team of the ACC

If you would’ve said citrus bowl that of been a different story
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Mithridates6
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
Sure technically it is, but no one over the age 20 will ever consider them equal


VADawg
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
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Pissed away? His 1996 and 1998 teams would've gotten in a playoff today. They were definitely more deserving than UF with its mulligan bs in 1996. Just bad luck.


His 1996 and (especially) 1998 teams were the most talented teams in America. They lost home games when their offense went completely flat in the second half. He pissed away his 1995 team too but no one will remember that because Nebraska would have crushed them anyways if they had gotten that matchup in a bowl game. You can chalk it up to bad luck if you want to but there was a trend of Cooper's teams playing extremely tight when the other team got close in the second half, with the exception of the Rose Bowl against Arizona State. Even in that game, their talent level was light years beyond ASU.
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DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure technically it is, but no one over the age 20 will ever consider them equal


Correct. Most of us remember when the Peach Bowl was fortunate just to get two ranked teams matched up.


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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
Yep.


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Mithridates6
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
My God, how many Saban-coached teams have lost at home during the regular season then won the MNC? Was Richt's 2002 Georgia team with one loss at a neutral site to mediocre Florida less deserving than Saban's LSU team the next year that lost at home to a similar Florida team? 2008 FL who lost at home to Ole Mrs? We won't even get into Fudd's 2007 LSU team


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Klingler7
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
The programs that were “hot” in 1989 were;
Not final rankings

1. Nebraska
2. Colorado
3. University of Miami
4. Michigan
5. Florida State
6. Oklahoma
7. Arkansas
8. Univ. Of Houston
9. Tennessee
10. Illinois


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ecb
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He sucks, fire him and hire Jim tressel


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BuckeyeATC87
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
That 96 Arizona State is criminally underrated. Individually they might not have been the most talented team but they were a damn good team. Any team that could shut out a 90s Nebraska team is up there in my book. Started watching football in 95 but 96 was my first year I fell in love with football. Shawn Springs slipping and Tai Streets taking a slant to the house still gets my blood boiling. How Cooper didn't win a title from 95-98 blows my mind. Thankfully Tressel came in and got it done a few years later.


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messyjesse
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
UM's problem isn't talent, it's the fact that OSU was helmed for nearly two decades by (virtually) back-to-back Hall of Fame coaches. Jury's still out on Day of course but he's already looking primed for an excellent career too.

Harbaugh is a damn good coach. But his fate seems tied to the whim of the program that's getting better coaching. Every conference has seen this in recent years--Pac-10 with Carroll, SEC with Saban, ACC with Dabo, Big 12 with Stoops and now Riley.

Local talent pool makes a load of difference but it just can't overcome elite coaching.


BuckyCheese
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They have a blog post up right now, melting because Justin Fields takes online classes and he doesn't take academics seriously like all the Michigan players do.


UM will take players that have no chance of passing admissions at UW.

We still pushed their shite in.

frick Michigan.


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KosmoCramer
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
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UM's problem isn't talent, it's the fact that OSU was helmed for nearly two decades by (virtually) back-to-back Hall of Fame coaches.


You win with talent. Simple as that.

Ohio State does develop players well for nearly it's entire history but we also are consistently bringing in top talent even during the Tressel days (Cooper, and Meyer as well).

Cooper couldn't get out of his own way with The Game.


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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
I would say the biggest thing that hurt and helped coop was the Hollis from Uzelack (sp?) offense. As the change got better speed outside.

They made the change yet They didn’t have the quarterbacks yet. Then when Hollis left to go to Arkansas State they changed again and it just was weird watching them on offense of times
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TigerStripes06
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
And there is no excuse for him to lose 12 games to anyone not named Ohio State with all the talent they have.


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KosmoCramer
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
We lost Hollis and Walt Harris (Pitt).

That definitely didn't help 1998 and beyond.


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messyjesse
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You win with talent. Simple as that.


Not strictly. USC, Tennessee, Miami, and Texas routinely crank out top 10 classes. They should be regularly winning 10+ games, but they're not. And there really isn't that great a difference in talent between the #1 and #10 ranked classes year to year. Talent is what's gonna get you past 100+ teams. It's not gonna get you past the other 20ish alone.

It's been said that Bear Bryant could beat your guys with his guys and then turn around and beat his guys with your guys. There are *maybe* five coaches in the last 20 years who were good enough at the game to the point that the Bear myth might actually apply to them. OSU has had two of them, in Tressel and Meyer.


Mithridates6
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re: Jim Harbaugh is 47-12 against teams not named Ohio State
Les usually had more talent than anyone not named Alabama too


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KosmoCramer
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USC, Tennessee, Miami, and Texas routinely crank out top 10 classes




Tennessee was artificially inflated in the rankings because they took 32 and 30 guys is 2014 and 2015. They weren't top 10 in 16, 17, 18 or 19.


Miami has had 1 top 10 since 2014 and been in the 20s most other years since.


Texas was 10th in 2015 (29 recruits), 7th in 2016 (29 recruits), 25th in 2017, 3rd in 2018, and 3rd in 2019. 2017 hurt a lot, but they've definitely underacheived.


USC the same. They've been consistently in the top 10 as you said with a train wreck of coaches.

Coaching certainly plays a role. But you cant consistently churn 3 star guys into studs like Harbaugh tries to do.



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