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re: Jim Harbaugh > Saban
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:40 pm to F machine
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:40 pm to F machine
Today, with his name, experience, track record and his rings, yeah I think he could. But not the Nick Saban from 1995 that was at the same career station as Harbaugh was when he took the Stanford job.
As for the other debate, the point was that as far as resources go, LSU is right there with any other top flight school, those resources had simply been mismanaged to a large extent up to that point.
As for the other debate, the point was that as far as resources go, LSU is right there with any other top flight school, those resources had simply been mismanaged to a large extent up to that point.
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I think saban, even before all his success could have built something there. That's something we will never know.
And sure lsu was up there. But my point is he came in and actually did something with the talent and actually got most of the Louisiana players to stay in state.
And sure lsu was up there. But my point is he came in and actually did something with the talent and actually got most of the Louisiana players to stay in state.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:14 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
In college absolutely not. He did not stay long enough. In the NFL yes Harbaugh is better. Championships are the measure and nothing else. You play to win championships.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Let it be known that Saban got to Michigan State at a time when it was being riddled with NCAA sanctions. That probably had a little to do with his 34-24-1 record while with the Spartans. Even though his record was less than stellar, he turned a program that hadn't been competitive since the 60s into a team not to be trifled with. They would lay the smack down on you if you weren't ready for them. They destroyed a Top 5 Penn State team (in November) by the score of 49-14 one season and upset the #1 Ohio State Buckeyes in November of the next year.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:49 pm to ninthward
Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, and Ty Willingham all had success at Stanford before Harbaugh. Lets not act like Stanford is Duke when it comes to football. Now, what Spurrier did at Duke - IMPRESSIVE.
Also, the 49ers have been talented for many years now. Harbaugh was smart in taking a good NFL job. The 49ers were hella more stable than the Dolphins that Saban took over.
Also, the 49ers have been talented for many years now. Harbaugh was smart in taking a good NFL job. The 49ers were hella more stable than the Dolphins that Saban took over.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:06 pm to Shaft Williams
Dennis Green did NOT have success at Stanford and Willingham's was modest. Walsh didn't win big, either, unless you consider his Sun Bowl win over LSU a major accomplishment.
Saban's first year at Miami, they finished as one of the hottest teams in the NFL, but his psychological games didn't work the second.
Saban didn't leave MSU a whole lot better than when he got there. Bobby Williams quickly presided over that dumpster fire. Dinar do left Saban a ton of talent, so he walked into a good situation at LSU.
Saban's first year at Miami, they finished as one of the hottest teams in the NFL, but his psychological games didn't work the second.
Saban didn't leave MSU a whole lot better than when he got there. Bobby Williams quickly presided over that dumpster fire. Dinar do left Saban a ton of talent, so he walked into a good situation at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:23 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
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Dennis Green did NOT have success at Stanford and Willingham's was modest. Walsh didn't win big, either, unless you consider his Sun Bowl win over LSU a major accomplishment.
Saban's first year at Miami, they finished as one of the hottest teams in the NFL, but his psychological games didn't work the second.
Saban didn't leave MSU a whole lot better than when he got there. Bobby Williams quickly presided over that dumpster fire. Dinar do left Saban a ton of talent, so he walked into a good situation at LSU.
Willingham won the Pac-10 and took Stanford to the Rose Bowl. That's modest?
Dennis Green took Stanford to an 8-3 record in '91, second in the Pac-10; his last season there. That's not successful?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:43 pm to Shaft Williams
People forget Saban's first 2 years at LSU were not stellar.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:28 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
Of course He's a better overall Coach, Saban flopped in the NFL. Saban may be the better college coach though
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:30 am to ninthward
Saban won the SEC in year 2 at LSU
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:01 am to Bench McElroy
Mike Nolan and Scot McLoughan drafted or signed
The previous coach had most if not all those players and led his team to a terrible record.
Harbaugh is def. a better coach than Saban.
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Patrick Willis, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Dashon Goldson, Ahmad Brooks, Navarro Bowman, Tarrell Brown, Ray McDonald, Justin Smith, Michael Crabtree, Alex Boone, Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, and Joe Staley. The only draft picks in the Harbaugh/Baalke regime that are major contributors for the 49ers right now are Aldon Smith and Colin Kaepernick. All the other 49ers starters were picked up as free agents. How did Jim Harbaugh NOT inherit a very talented team?
The previous coach had most if not all those players and led his team to a terrible record.
Harbaugh is def. a better coach than Saban.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:27 am to bhart99
lets be honest... had brees signed in miami, saban may still be coaching there.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:59 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
I enjoy the "ton" of talent argument and then they name the same 5 players but forget everyone else on the roster
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:12 am to RollTide1987
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Even though his record was less than stellar, he turned a program that hadn't been competitive since the 60s into a team not to be trifled with.
You do know that the coach Saban replaced won a couple of Big 10 titles and even won a Rose Bowl?
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:16 am to SPEEDY
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You do know that the coach Saban replaced won a couple of Big 10 titles and even won a Rose Bowl?
How much of that was legit? Perles ran that program into the ground by getting it put on major probation. Due to forfeits, MSU finished 0-11 the year before Saban got there. Perles may have won a Rose Bowl in 1987 but he proceeded to run the program into the ground after that.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 8:20 am
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:22 am to RollTide1987
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They finished 0-11 the year before Saban got there.
Their record was something like 5-6 but they had to vacate all their wins because of an academic cheating scandal. Also, those Michigan State teams were good because they had a steroids program going on par with the mid '90s Nebraska teams. See Tony Mandarich. And don't forget, Saban was the defensive coordinator the year Michigan State won the Rose Bowl. A very valid case could be made that Saban was really the brains behind that operation not George Perles.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:46 am to Me4Heisman
The only team to win the SEC with three losses, btw.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 9:25 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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I'm challenging him to prove himself. Go back to the NFL.
Beg LSU, beg
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