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re: Jerry Krause explains why the Bulls’ dynasty unraveled, in his own words
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:38 am to sunnydaze
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:38 am to sunnydaze
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And the bulls have been irrelevant ever since
This is where I laugh.
You blew up a team that won six championships because they were "declining".
The Bulls didn't make the playoffs again for SIX YEARS
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 9:39 am
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Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:44 am to Bench McElroy
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I’m now going to take you to a place no Bulls outsider has ever been, a meeting in early July 1998.
quote:Things weren't up in the air in July 1998.
There you have it, the truth
A rebuild may have been called for but the dude's full of shite.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:48 am to Bench McElroy
I remember seeing a story in 1999 about Jordan slicing his hand on a cigar cutter. The story mentioned that it would have been an issue had he not already retired early in 1999.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:48 am to Bench McElroy
All things must come to an end. So, while it is true that the Bulls time was dynasty had to come to an end. There was no chance Scottie stayed when it was past time for him to get paid.
Krause fatal mistakae was running away Phil. Phil left one dynasty to go and build another one. The Bulls fell into obscurity quickly and I don't think they fully recovered until Derrick Rose came to town.
If Phil stayed, maybe Jordan stayed as well. Jordan was aging, but he retired for 2 years and came back nd still scored 20+ a game. I like my chances rebuilding with Phil and Jordan rather than without them.
Krause fatal mistakae was running away Phil. Phil left one dynasty to go and build another one. The Bulls fell into obscurity quickly and I don't think they fully recovered until Derrick Rose came to town.
If Phil stayed, maybe Jordan stayed as well. Jordan was aging, but he retired for 2 years and came back nd still scored 20+ a game. I like my chances rebuilding with Phil and Jordan rather than without them.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:00 am to QJenk
I just looked at a couple of the Bulls drafts in the following years. In 99 the Bulls drafted Elton Brand and Ron artest.
That is not a bad draft by any stretch of the imagination. Brand was a really solid player until injuries happened. Artest graduated from the Dennis Rodman school of crazy.
I like my rebuilding chances with those young guys along with Phil and Jordan teaching them
That is not a bad draft by any stretch of the imagination. Brand was a really solid player until injuries happened. Artest graduated from the Dennis Rodman school of crazy.
I like my rebuilding chances with those young guys along with Phil and Jordan teaching them
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:00 am to Tiger Nation 84
quote:. This misguided Krause hate has now jumped the shark. Rashard Lewis scored 2 ppg as a rookie on a non playoff Sonic's team . Mobley( stop) . Nowitski scored 8 on 40% shooting & barely a starter.
In hindsight, they could’ve picked Rashard Lewis and or Cutino Mobley in the following draft. Or made some trades up and gotten Dirk, Vince Carter, Antwann Jamison, or Paul Pierce
The Bulls would have to give up a YOUNG all star caliber starter to get a top 5 / top 10 pick. Which they didn't have & most aren't ready for an NBA title run anyway.
Looking at Krause's drafts he really blew 2001 when he traded Brand & chose Tyson Chandler at #2 . Passed on Pau Gasol who could have changed the Bulls future.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:05 am to RemouladeSawce
They would’ve almost certainly won number 7 and a 4-peat in the lockout shortened 99 season even without Rodman. That was their window tho. Lakers were ready for the torch and just needed Phil.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:13 am to S
Jordan's question has never been answered that I am aware of" Why did Krause make that announcement about Phil before the season even started? It was so black & white, "he will not return to coach the Bulls".
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:14 am to QJenk
quote:And 2000 was considered one of the worst in NBA history( pass) . If Krause had picked Pau Gasol over Chandlerin 2001....
That is not a bad draft by any stretch of the imagination. Brand was a really solid player until injuries happened. Artest graduated from the Dennis Rodman school of crazy.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:15 am to Bench McElroy
Look, this is a hollow excuse from Krause. By July, 1998, it was over and had been for a while. They'd spent years alienating Pippen and Jackson.
The Bulls probably were done by that point, but this was something that was building for a while. Also, even contending for the Finals isn't easy. The Bulls have made an ECF once since 1998.
The Bulls probably were done by that point, but this was something that was building for a while. Also, even contending for the Finals isn't easy. The Bulls have made an ECF once since 1998.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:23 am to Bench McElroy
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The fact that winning titles meant drafting last each year in what at the time were poor draft crops meant nothing. We’d gotten lucky in 1990 in that most NBA people did not think that Toni Kukoc would even come to the NBA, and he’d fallen to early in the second round where we had a pick.
they could've done better in the draft during those title years to have some homegrown role players. or even tradeable assets (they passed on Michael Finley for Jason Caffey).
maybe even some draft and stash type guys since they'd effectively done that with Kukoc, and could've been the Spurs before the Spurs in that regard.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:28 am to ATLTiger
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some homegrown role players
I think Krause had an extraordinary 87 draft and did well with Kukoc.
His repetitive whiffing in the draft beyond that is why it's hard to see him as a great GM. I get it's hard to draft well deep in the draft, but really good GM's snag a couple of good role players from that position.
Krause never did, and 8 years of nothing is why the Bulls collapsed. Hell, he traded Pippen for Roy Rogers and a second round pick that became Jake Voskuhl. He had two good drafts and largely failed at maximizing assets beyond that.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:34 am to Rep520
You’d have to think the Bulls if they had all come back for one more year still stood a great shot at winning 7. It was a shortened season so that would’ve helped them greatly on the wear and tear piece.
I can’t remember but how in the hell did the Pacers lose to the Knicks in those playoffs? Was there an injury?
I can’t remember but how in the hell did the Pacers lose to the Knicks in those playoffs? Was there an injury?
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:50 am to UnluckyTiger
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I can’t remember but how in the hell did the Pacers lose to the Knicks in those playoffs? Was there an injury?
actually, the big injury that series was Ewing tearing his Achilles. I think the Pacers were mostly healthy.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:53 am to UnluckyTiger
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I can’t remember but how in the hell did the Pacers lose to the Knicks in those playoffs? Was there an injury?
It was a bizarre year. The strike shortened year led to some strange playoff results.
Ewing got hurt and the Knicks switched to an all perimeter scoring lineup, which the Pacers weren't really built for. LJ hit the miracle 4 point play. The Pacers, for all their ability, never really had a lot of scoring firepower, either.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 10:55 am to Rep520
1999 was a good year for him
Elton Brand and Ron Artest in the same draft.
Of course he traded both of them eventually.
Elton Brand and Ron Artest in the same draft.
Of course he traded both of them eventually.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 11:22 am to SammyTiger
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Elton Brand and Ron Artest in the same draft.
Artest was a very solid value pick. Brand was good, but also a #1 pick, where you kind of expect that.
Krause had a great draft in 87, good drafts in 90 and 99 and an ok draft in 89 (BJ Armstrong at 18, good. Stacey King at 6, bad). The rest of his tenure was marked by a lot of futility.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 11:27 am to Rep520
one of the more interesting things I remember was the Bulls drafting Travis Knight in the 1st round and then renouncing his rights that summer. never saw that before or since. I think they had some cap/ roster issues and couldn't keep him, but damn you'd think they could flip him for a future 2nd rounder or something.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:02 pm to ATLTiger
I disagree with Jerry. I would have liked them to tell the players and Phil Jackson that they were going to do everything they could do to keep the team together and let them defend the title until they could not do it anymore like the Celtics and Lakers before them.
I am not sure how the team could have been kept together and pay Pippen, but I am not the GM of a NBA team.
I am not sure how the team could have been kept together and pay Pippen, but I am not the GM of a NBA team.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:08 pm to bird35
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I am not sure how the team could have been kept together and pay Pippen, but I am not the GM of a NBA team.
At the time, you could re-sign your own FA's without it counting vs the cap. Pippen was a FA and Jordan and Rodman were as well.
I've always thought the best chance would be to write blank checks to the key guys and make them say no.
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