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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:02 pm to Lester Earl
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he's swinging at more pitches inside the zone this year. He's leading the league in HR. Shocking how that happens huh bare
Yet his OPS+ or wRC+ is right on par with his other good seasons and he's still on pace for ~7 WAR which he has had in other good seasons.
Career slash line with RISP
.333./.483/.591
WTF more do you want him to do.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:09 pm to barry
I dont vote for the HOF. He will have to have better counting stats to get in.
HR is the most reachable. I think if get can get to 400 he'll be ok. He wont get 3k hits. He walks too much. Winning another MVP would help too
HR is the most reachable. I think if get can get to 400 he'll be ok. He wont get 3k hits. He walks too much. Winning another MVP would help too
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
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I dont vote for the HOF. He will have to have better counting stats to get in.
I don't think when he's eligible, likely 15 years or so from now, the writers will hold him to antiquated HOF standards.
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Winning another MVP would help too
Fingers crossed
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:12 pm to barry
I think Votto has a solid chance at making the HOF, once voters look more at the ratios and sabermetric stuff, I just don't think he's going to go first ballot because his counting stats won't quite be there.
Assuming he stays healthy and productive he's looking like Jeff Bagwell with a little less counting stats but slightly better ratios.
Assuming he stays healthy and productive he's looking like Jeff Bagwell with a little less counting stats but slightly better ratios.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:22 pm to LSUBoo
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Assuming he stays healthy and productive he's looking like Jeff Bagwell with a little less counting stats but slightly better ratios.
I'm fine with that. As long as Votto doesn't develop a career killing injury next season.
Votto for sure isn't a first ballot HOF lock, I just think his skillset ages well and he's been relatively injury free most of his career, which i feel will make him a sure bet to get into the Hall.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:31 pm to lanticguy
Cano should be first ballot he's the 4th or 5th best 2b of the last 50 years
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Cano should be first ballot he's the 4th or 5th best 2b of the last 50 years
He's one of the best hitting 2B of all time, mostly because 2B was full of shitty hitting players. Gets a huge WAR boost from playing 2B.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:14 pm to ZZTIGERS
Do most ppl not think Yadi will land In the hall eventually? I'm not trying to say he's absolutely good enough but he's arguably the best defensive catcher of all time and he's been solid for a catcher at the plate
Again I'm not arguing he's a sure thing numbers wise but considering how political it is and how much he is respected in the game I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't get there eventually
ETA: if it's not clear, OF COURSE I don't mean on first ballot...
Again I'm not arguing he's a sure thing numbers wise but considering how political it is and how much he is respected in the game I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't get there eventually
ETA: if it's not clear, OF COURSE I don't mean on first ballot...
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:15 pm to Lester Earl
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well, he doesn't have the counting stats yet to even sniff 1st ballot
I don't disagree with this at all. It's my hope that the writers move away from their overwhelming dependence of counting stats.
More advanced stats like wOBA(currently ranks 29th all time) & wRC+(currently ranks 10th all time) have him up there with the greats right now. And depending if you consider OBP a traditional stat, he's currently 11th all time going back to the start of the live ball era(1920). Even going with WAR, which of course takes defense into consideration, he's currently in the top 150. No, he's not flashy, and won't have the sexy counting stats, but you'd be hard pressed to find, over the course of baseball history, many more(50-75?) efficient, all around great hitters like Votto.
Again, not disagreeing with your assessment of current hall of fame voters, because you're right. Just hoping they "evolve".
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:17 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Hall of very good
Neither the career nor peak WAR are where they need to be
He may eventually get in based on perception though
Neither the career nor peak WAR are where they need to be
He may eventually get in based on perception though
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:20 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Yadi will eventually get in
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:31 pm to WestCoastAg
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He may eventually get in based on perception though
Yea that's what I was trying to say, it would obviously be the number 1 reason he got in
Not to start being too much of a homer but arguably Yadi's biggest impacts (calling the game, scouting, handling the pitchers) are near impossible to quantify statistically
And in the crude ways they are quantified our pitchers have consistently had a significantly lower ERA with him behind the plate compared with others
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 8:09 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Buster Posey deserves a mention. He's been the best catcher in baseball for almost as long as he's been in the major leagues.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 8:20 pm to ZZTIGERS
Stanton will finish over 600 homers so he's there
Posted on 7/17/17 at 8:56 pm to cheesesteak501
Mauer is the guy who will be interesting to see if he gets in on an early ballot.
His numbers aren't Hall stuff, by most measures-- but he has the added value of spending the best part of his career behind the plate, and having won more batting titles than all other catchers in the history of MLB combined.
He's probably a year 3, year 4 guy, but he'll be a good test for how traditional the voting pool will still be.
His numbers aren't Hall stuff, by most measures-- but he has the added value of spending the best part of his career behind the plate, and having won more batting titles than all other catchers in the history of MLB combined.
He's probably a year 3, year 4 guy, but he'll be a good test for how traditional the voting pool will still be.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:06 pm to barry
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Yet his OPS+ or wRC+ is right on par with his other good seasons and he's still on pace for ~7 WAR which he has had in other good seasons.
Career slash line with RISP
.333./.483/.591
WTF more do you want him to do.
He has to finish with better numbers than Lance Berkman
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:38 pm to Peter Venkman
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Buster Posey deserves a mention. He's been the best catcher in baseball for almost as long as he's been in the major leagues.
He is a better player than Yadi, you won't get argument out of me on that though it hurts to say
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:42 pm to cheesesteak501
He may want to hit 38 first...
Dude is 27 with 234 home runs, he may not get 500 if he can't stay healthy
Dude is 27 with 234 home runs, he may not get 500 if he can't stay healthy
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:07 pm to ZZTIGERS
Pujols, Cabrera, and Ichiro are the only guaranteed first ballot guys right now, IMO.
Trout, Harper and Kershaw will get there in all likelihood, but if they all decided to quit tomorrow I don't think they're there yet.
Trout, Harper and Kershaw will get there in all likelihood, but if they all decided to quit tomorrow I don't think they're there yet.
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