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re: it begins...nebraska to big 10
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If the Texas schools go to the Pac-10 the SEC should do this:
SEC West:
LSU
Arkansas
Alabama
Auburn
Miss. State
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Florida State
SEC East:
Tennessee
Vandy
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia Tech
North Carolina and Duke would stick together. Florida State would be in the SEC West since it is in the panhandle. Kentucky in the SEC West would balance it out in basketball and provide potential Kentucky vs N.Carolina or Duke championship games in the SEC tourney. We could also get the potential of an all Florida SEC Championship game in football.
I wouldn't invite Miami because their fans suck and they have a bad history as far as discipline.
In football, all schools would have only 3 out of conference games - the other 9 games would be SEC games-each school would rotate two opponents from the opposite division every year. Sounds fun to me.
SEC West:
LSU
Arkansas
Alabama
Auburn
Miss. State
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Florida State
SEC East:
Tennessee
Vandy
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia Tech
North Carolina and Duke would stick together. Florida State would be in the SEC West since it is in the panhandle. Kentucky in the SEC West would balance it out in basketball and provide potential Kentucky vs N.Carolina or Duke championship games in the SEC tourney. We could also get the potential of an all Florida SEC Championship game in football.
I wouldn't invite Miami because their fans suck and they have a bad history as far as discipline.
In football, all schools would have only 3 out of conference games - the other 9 games would be SEC games-each school would rotate two opponents from the opposite division every year. Sounds fun to me.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 5:53 pm
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Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My guess is the SEC will take some of or all of FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson. ACC will raid the B East.
This seems reasonable. I don't think UNC goes anywhere without NC State/Duke. They're not going to split up Tobacco Road. ACC will take ECU, maybe Memphis, Louisville, UConn. They'll have one hell of a basketball conference.
Sucks that the SEC got trumped.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:51 pm to ewdij
I actually like the SEC's wait and watch approach. Unless Texas was willing to join SEC (which they very clearly aren't because of academic reasons) there is no reason for SEC to be hasty in all these. Except for Texas, there is no other program that is a must-have for SEC. Believe it or not, Big 10/Pac 10 is trying to reach the level that SEC has already reached. They might very well surpass SEC in their efforts, still that does not mean SEC should be reactive.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:51 pm to EST
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Road games in the new Pac-16 are going to suck. Imagine living in College Station and having to go up to Washington and Oregon twice a year. They don't fly the football equipment do they?
why would they do that? The way it's been speculated the big 12 teams that are moving would be on one side of the conference. Plus the two Arizona teams. That's 7 conference games right there. So maybe one more game for 8 conference games. So the travel will pretty much be the same.
Now for other sports that's gonna be a problem.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:52 pm to deuce985
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Acc is more of a Basketball conference but they use to be a dominate Football conference at the height of FSU/Miami's prime.
ACC has never been a dominant football conference. When Miami was dominant, they were an independent. It used to be FSU and everyone else.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:54 pm to ewdij
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If SEC makes any change at all they will have to keep potential tv revenue in mind. That also means FSU, Miami, Clemson, GaTech might be less attractive than UNC, VaTech etc.
One thing is very obvious from Pac10/Big 10 expansion, its all about money.
Where the SEC is in danger of getting left behind is not having their own cable network
This is what currently gives the Big 10 an edge over the SEC in terms of revenue... the CBS and ESPN deals with the SEC are excellent
So that means:
1) SEC has to do the hard work of putting together their own cable network right now before they fall further behind
2) Anyone you add has to add real interest in a television sense. Programs like Miami, A&M, Va Tech make sense in that respect.
3) Schools that are powerhouse basketball programs but not relevant in football add almost nothing - as evidenced by what is happening to Kansas
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:55 pm to deuce985
If the Big 12 wants any chance to save itself, they should be on the phone to TCU right now. I don't know if that will be enough, but if they can bring BYU and Utah on board too, Texas and co. might think about staying put.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:57 pm to ewdij
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Except for Texas, there is no other program that is a must-have for SEC.
Texas A&M was a must for the SEC IMO.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Texas A&M was a must for the SEC IMO.
If the SEC expands (and I think they have to now), I would agree with this. A presence is Texas is a must, and TAMU is the next best thing to the Longhorns.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:00 pm to ewdij
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GaTech might be less attractive than UNC, VaTech etc.
"Expansion" with regard to market and revenue would be better suited for UNC, WVU, VT than Clemson, GT and FSU. But, I don;t see it happening. Out of those, VT and WVU would be the most likely candidates and I doubt WVU would bite.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Houston and Dallas markets are huge. I wonder if the SEC would consider a school like TCU or Baylor.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:02 pm to bishop
It's been a while since something truely suprised me.... That trend is over today
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:05 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Houston and Dallas markets are huge. I wonder if the SEC would consider a school like TCU or Baylor.
Would not do much in the Dallas Market, they have a very small fanbase. Just like Miami would do little for the Miami market. A&M would be the next best thing to UT. To me, it would be A&M or look up the Atlantic seaboard for expansion.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:07 pm to Stevo
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think of the increased costs for all of the mens and womens teams. Football and mens basketball are moneymakers for most to those schools, I imagine. But the rest will of the sports will really eat into those profits with the increased cost of travel.
I think the plan is for those 6 Big 12 schools to form a "pac-16 east" with Arizona and ASU. You'd play everyone in your conference (7 games) with one game against the "west", so in reality it wouldn't be that much more travel than going up to Iowa State, etc.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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To me, it would be A&M or look up the Atlantic seaboard for expansion.
A&M would be a good fit in the SEC, adding alot of fans in Texas. Plus A&M might just be ready to quit being Texas' red-headed little brother.
Va Tech would be the other one the SEC should go after.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:15 pm to LSUfannLA
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Va Tech would be the other one the SEC should go after.
I agree. I would also go after UNC, but I highly doubt they would move to the SEC.
I will bet the SEC talks with NC State and possibly Kansas. Putting teams already in your market doesn't make a lot of sense at this point.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:20 pm to LSUfannLA
I don't see Va Tech coming without Virginia. When the ACC expanded, I remember the Virginia state legislature getting involved to make sure Va Tech was added.
NC State would be a possibility, but I don't see UNC coming due to the basketball rivalry with Duke (and I certainly don't see Duke being invited).
NC State would be a possibility, but I don't see UNC coming due to the basketball rivalry with Duke (and I certainly don't see Duke being invited).
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:24 pm to 1984Tiger
So in other words, the SEC is fricked... 
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:26 pm to deuce985
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So in other words, the SEC is fricked..
Not in a very good position IMO.
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not in a very good position IMO.
I still have a hard time seeing UT and TAMU going to the PAC 10 just because of geography. That is going to put huge burdens on all of their sports. If the SEC gets left with picking from the ACC, MWC and CUSA, it will not be good. Mike Slive should have been more proactive, IMO.
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