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Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:44 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:44 am
When you think of the best 25 jobs in CFB, Tennessee is probably on that list. I think most people would probably consider it as an elite job, certainly not a stepping stone.
That being said, this is a really challenging job. In state talent is atrocious, especially compared to other schools in the SEC. The program expectations, agree with them or not, are competing for national titles. And those expectations are all for a program that is likely the 8th best football program in the conference (once Texas and OU are added). I'm not sure that their absolute ceiling isn't 6th best conference program.
That's just tough.
Not a troll. Not posted to the SEC rant for that reason as it would come off. I genuinely think this job has more challenges than any of the other top level jobs in the country.
That being said, this is a really challenging job. In state talent is atrocious, especially compared to other schools in the SEC. The program expectations, agree with them or not, are competing for national titles. And those expectations are all for a program that is likely the 8th best football program in the conference (once Texas and OU are added). I'm not sure that their absolute ceiling isn't 6th best conference program.
That's just tough.
Not a troll. Not posted to the SEC rant for that reason as it would come off. I genuinely think this job has more challenges than any of the other top level jobs in the country.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:45 am to Tigerfan56
Define "top" job? If it were a top job, you wouldn't end up with Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, Heupel every go around.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:47 am to Tigerfan56
They should try to go raid California again like they used to now that all the CA teams are terrible.
USC and UGA getting good again in the early 2000s was the killer.
USC and UGA getting good again in the early 2000s was the killer.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 8:48 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:47 am to Tigerfan56
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I think most people would probably consider it as an elite job
People are biased by stuff that happened 25 years ago.
TN is in no way an elite job in 2021.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:50 am to kywildcatfanone
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Define "top" job? If it were a top job, you wouldn't end up with Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, Heupel every go around.
I think most objective people would consider LSU a "top job", and they have had almost 16 years of Les Miles and Ed Orgeron.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 am to Tigerfan56
I think Nebraska is worse but Tennessee is probably the hardest “top” job.
Tennessee has to play a fully operational death machine in Bama on a yearly basis. Then also Georgia/Florida.
Nebraska while worse recruiting and expectations at least doesn’t have an auto 2/3 losses each year.
Tennessee has to play a fully operational death machine in Bama on a yearly basis. Then also Georgia/Florida.
Nebraska while worse recruiting and expectations at least doesn’t have an auto 2/3 losses each year.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:52 am to Fun Bunch
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I think most objective people would consider LSU a "top job", and they have had almost 16 years of Les Miles and Ed Orgeron.
3 national titles in 18 years. I think generally everyone considered Les a destination coach when he was hired, and they were great right up till the end.
O caught lightening in a bottle with Burrow, like Chizek, and now things have settled.
LSU is still a top job if your comparison is Tennessee.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:53 am to Tigerfan56
Not even close.
ETA
Any school in that 2-3ish hour halo of Atlanta is always one competent coach away from dominating.
ETA
Any school in that 2-3ish hour halo of Atlanta is always one competent coach away from dominating.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 8:56 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:56 am to kywildcatfanone
I mostly agree with your thoughts but my point was just because you're a top program doesn't mean you always get the top of the top coaches on your list.
TN has done a lot worse coach wise than LSU for sure, but I never thought much of Les or especially Ed.
TN has done a lot worse coach wise than LSU for sure, but I never thought much of Les or especially Ed.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:57 am to Tigerfan56
By 'top' I assume you mean top-15 programs
Nebraska is the worst but none of them have so bad a setup that they can't win anymore. When you start winning, in-state talent means nothing: Ohio State has a ton of kids from Texas and Florida, for instance. Both Tennessee and Nebraska's problem is that they keep hiring bad coaches.
Tennessee keeps trying to hire the 'big name' and chased away an actually-good coach because it didn't impress the fans enough
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Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Michigan
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Tennessee
Texas
USC
Nebraska is the worst but none of them have so bad a setup that they can't win anymore. When you start winning, in-state talent means nothing: Ohio State has a ton of kids from Texas and Florida, for instance. Both Tennessee and Nebraska's problem is that they keep hiring bad coaches.
Tennessee keeps trying to hire the 'big name' and chased away an actually-good coach because it didn't impress the fans enough
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:58 am to Tigerfan56
I still think it's a great job. They just need to find the right coach and they'll be back.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:59 am to Bama Bird
auburn, tennessee, and nebraska dont belong on that list
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:59 am to Bama Bird
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Tennessee keeps trying to hire the 'big name' and chased away an actually-good coach because it didn't impress the fans enough
They let Clay Travis dictate who they hired as their coach. That in and of itself says something about the state of the program and university leadership.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:03 am to usc6158
Tennessee’s national brand isn’t what it was in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.
Not to mention they greatly benefited from Georgia and Clemson being down. Alabama wasn’t that great and only had to deal with their annual September blockbuster game against Florida. That game determines the winner of the East for years.
Their 1998 championship roster had players from like 14 different states. It was crazy how they got players across the country to play in Knoxville.
Not to mention they greatly benefited from Georgia and Clemson being down. Alabama wasn’t that great and only had to deal with their annual September blockbuster game against Florida. That game determines the winner of the East for years.
Their 1998 championship roster had players from like 14 different states. It was crazy how they got players across the country to play in Knoxville.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:03 am to Bama Bird
And it is not by chance those schools have a large metro to supply talent. Bowden had it right when he said it is about the Jimmies and Joe's
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:04 am to usc6158
Dependent on being able to recruit out of state
I remember back in 90's, Tenn would cherrypick 2/3 players every year from LA
Once LSU closed the fence and actually started getting players out of Tenn it's hurt them and they still are struggling with establishing their recruiting base
I remember back in 90's, Tenn would cherrypick 2/3 players every year from LA
Once LSU closed the fence and actually started getting players out of Tenn it's hurt them and they still are struggling with establishing their recruiting base
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:07 am to Tigerfan56
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this is a really challenging job
it shouldn't be
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In state talent is atrocious
I wouldn;'t call it atrocious anymore, and it's getting better and better as Nashville continues to grow. They're also centrally located to a ton of pipeline talent. One big thing hurting them is Clemson, Alabama, and UGA all being good at the same time, which cuts into their historic recruiting grounds.
Tennessee has all the resources to be a really good program again, they just keep tripping over themselves hiring coaches and it took them decades to clean up their administration at the university. If Clemson can be a top 5 program so can TN.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:07 am to Tigerfan56
UGA closing the fence to Georgia killed them. Clemson coming up hurt as well
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:14 am to usc6158
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They should try to go raid California again like they used to now that all the CA teams are terrible.
I think UT going out West and losing to Cal and a terrible (4-8) UCLA team killed that in perpetuity for Cali recruits.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:19 am to Bags of Milk
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I think Nebraska is worse
Came to say this. I don’t see Nebraska ever being good again.
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