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WestCoastAg
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
That group is made of either historic national powers or the dominant program in a region of the country that is a recruiting hotbed

Auburn isnt either and Tennessee and Nebraska have fallen so hard for such an extended period of time that I doubt theyll ever come back


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Crowknowsbest
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
From what I can tell, the biggest issue at Tennessee is internal politics. Same with Texas.


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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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Richt shutting off Atlanta from Tennessee, specifically, is one thing that made that job a lot harder.



Tennessee just seems really disconnected from everything right now IMO. Everything about the program seems left behind and dated. Very stagnant.

When you think about what kicked off the elevation of A&M, obviously you start with the SEC but you had a dynamic star athlete and you had a monumental win over a powerhouse. It didn't put A&M on the map, but it catapulted them into a new era. And A&M is a boring program - rich - but very boring.

Winning big solves everything, but for the time being I think Tennessee needs some spark and there just isn't much on the horizon. They've made a stability goofball hire who attracted zero attention. I'm not aware of a program-revitalizing recruit. They've got Peyton but I don't know how much of an ambassador he is at this point. Honestly, the most immediate lift Tennessee could get is likely a high profile upset of Alabama, preferably with some theatrics and bad blood.

I continue to think Tennessee should have hired Gus. He's not a sensational personality, but provides an immediate storyline with Alabama. Has a high floor and for whatever reason has credibility with media.


lsufball19
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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UT has recruited well, they're just not developing the talent.

23rd in 2021 (8th in the SEC)
10th in 2020 (7th in the SEC)
13th in 2019 (7th in the SEC)
21st in 2018 (8th in the SEC)
17th in 2017 (7th in the SEC)
14th in 2016 (7th in the SEC)

I would say their recruiting has been average to below average in the SEC. Couple that with poor coaching and instability, and you get what they've had at Tennessee.

Just look at the 2022 class. Tennessee's best commit from their own state is the #14 prospect in the state, and they only have 2 total commits from the top 25 prospects in the state. Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, OSU, etc are pillaging most of the good recruits the state has. Last year, Tennessee only signed 2 of the top 25 recruits from the state
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Jcorye1
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
I don't think anyone defines Tenn as a top job. Maybe right after Fulmer left, but now? Hell no.


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Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?

nah its the one your mom gives


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chalmetteowl
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If Clemson can be a top 5 program so can TN.
your conference matters though. Clemson rose up to the top 5 playing teams that Tennessee never had to to get there


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tylerdurden24
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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From what I can tell, the biggest issue at Tennessee is internal politics. Same with Texas.

This. Tennessee is hamstrung culturally; their administrators going on 20+ years have been a cavalcade of dipshits and asshats out of their depth or beholden to power brokers who think they know more about running a college athletic program than they do. Pulling Fulmer back into the AD chair after things had changed so much in the football landscape was yet another tell tale sign. It’s funny, too, because they can identify good coaching talent in basketball (Barnes and Pearl) and Baseball (Vitello) but don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to finding a football coach who isn’t full of gimmicks and pandering bull shite.

Maybe Danny White is finally the AD that breaks the mold but I haven’t seen anything in his history to suggest he will be ready for the surge of Volnation horse shite if/when Heupel isn’t producing at the level the fanbase expects. Doesn’t mean he can’t handle it, I just haven’t seen him do it before.

Meanwhile, Yurachek at Arkansas seems to have nailed the Pittman hire. What the man lacks in youth and Xs and Os savvy, he makes up for in spades with defining the culture of the program and commanding buy-in from his players.
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tylerdurden24
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Tennessee just seems really disconnected from everything right now IMO. Everything about the program seems left behind and dated. Very stagnant.


This too. Whereas their facilities were once considered to be pretty excellent if not top notch (Neyland seating notwithstanding), they’re now pretty run of the mill as top programs go. There’s just not much energy there.


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BhamDore
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
It's hard to get up off the mat in the SEC. Especially when you have been down as long as Tennessee.


People don't understand how the TV contracts removed alot of the advantages some big programs had.

All games are now televised and the money is ridiculous now even for lesser programs.

Even small programs in the SEC like Mississippi schools have 100+ million dollar budgets.

Tennessee was great when there was a much bigger division between the rich and poor. Alabama was playing home games at decaying Legion Field and Neyland stadium was the only 100k stadium in the SEC.

The landscape shifted and Tennessee has zero competitive advantages in 2021.

They are a middle of pack SEC program. Somewhere between 7th and 9th best program in their conference now.

They will never be a consistent threat again unless something bad happens to the Alabama, Georgia or Florida.

I think Auburn is a tougher job,but Auburn embraces the challenge and goes all in while Tennessee seems to be resigned to accept their fate.


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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
I actually would say of all the "top jobs" SC is the worst right now. You have an apathetic fan base, athletic department, and school. Plus expectations right now are above what they should be, so failure is certain in short run.

Also, you will will not have the Hollywood buy in as the NCAA has limited that but with NIL you could get some of that back. much like DJU did with Dr Pepper.
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GamecockUltimate
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Id say UT is a similar job now to say USC. (south carolina)

here me out, its not 1998 (or else they would not be comparable)

Both has amazing fanbases, good facilities, and a will to win. Great stadiums etc.

Both have to play a top 3 team every season, as well as UGA. This means they are recruiting against those schools every year. UT probably has to deal with Ohio just the same as SC has to deal with UF. Not sure about In state talent, but SC is at its best when the state produces good talent.

All in all, id say the two jobs are similar and its why they have attracted similar candidates. A good coach can put both in a really competitive place, but it doesnt take long for the program to fall.
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MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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Define "top" job? If it were a top job, you wouldn't end up with Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, Heupel every go around.

Butch was a good hire at the time.
They had Schiano before Pruitt but their stupid fans revolted so here they are now.


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MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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They will never be a consistent threat again unless something bad happens to the Alabama, Georgia or Florida.

They can't even beat 4 win UF teams though.


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AlonsoWDC
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Tennessee isn't even the best FBS program in the state.


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moontigr
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
No reason Nebraska can't get to the level of Wisconsin if they get the right coach. They manage to somehow land decent talent but they just can't seem to get over the hump. Troy Calhoun or Jamey Chadwell would do well there.
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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
People rag on Michigan but I don't recall UT being some juggernaut in our lifetimes.

They had a few special years since 1980 but even with Manning...meh. Was never the top dog in the SEC the last 40 years save for one year and a few division titles.

Shite Michigan has done more since 1980.

Tennessee is more known just for a big checkered Stadium and big seats for roomy people.
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Stidham8
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
It has the potential to be a really good job. But with the way they are surrounded by Georgia Alabama and Clemson taking almost all of the top talent, it’s going to be near impossible for someone to come in and make them competitive. The state of Tennessee does not produce enough talent to sustain them. And a good chunk of that talent is leaving the state already.


UKWildcats
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
frick Tennessee. Let em burn.


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volfan30
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
I think it’s a very underrated pressure cooker. Butch Jones had the talent rolling in and literally slept walk to a 9 win season which included wins over UF and UGA less than 5 seasons ago but that season put him on the hot seat big time because he did not win the East. He also could not handle the day to day pressure of the job with media and fans once the seat got hot and hr was fired 10 months after a second consecutive 9-4 year.

“Good” coaches are not going to be given time to build it Dabo style because 8-9 win seasons are never going to be good enough with the fanbase at Tennessee. Bad coaches will produce horrendous results like Dooley and Pruitt. Unless Tennessee lucks into an absolute elite hire it will be tough to turn around imo.


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