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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?


Yep. You'd have to pay me a metric frick ton of money to listen to Rocky Top that much.


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Pettifogger
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auburn, tennessee, and nebraska dont belong on that list



LOL

does this ever work for you


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They let Clay Travis dictate who they hired as their coach. That in and of itself says something about the state of the program and university leadership.


+1. They would be competitive had they stuck with Schiano.


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Came to say this. I don’t see Nebraska ever being good again.



Nebraska is hopeless.

Miami is a big name school where support from fans and admin will always be a battle. No talent issues, but being in the middle of all of it and getting picked over by schools from elsewhere is probably frustrating.


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teke184
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Tennessee’s biggest problems are in-state talent and their annual schedule, but in-state talent is offset by access to recruiting hotbeds like Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, etc.

If Florida and Georgia start to dip, Tennessee can theoretically rise again within the East.

Alabama is another matter and I don’t see that changing until Saban either leaves or loses it completely somehow.


Nebraska, OTOH? No real recruiting base and all the states where they have access are relatively poor talent wise, save Ohio and Pennsylvania, and those states are pretty much owned by schools like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State which have been recruiting them forever.

Nebraska theoretically has an easier path to winning than Tennessee but they don’t really have much to work with period with regards to talent and that makes it a much worse “top job” IMHO.


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WestCoastAg
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I have no idea what to tell you. Yall, and nebraska and tennessee, arent in the same tier as the other schools on that list. Thats not being shitty. It just is what it is
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Tennessee is still somewhat of a sleeping giant. Whenever UGA stops being elite, they could make some noise.


BreakawayZou83
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Any school in that 2-3ish hour halo of Atlanta is always one competent coach away from dominating.


Absolutely. Factor that plus Tennessee's resources, level of support, and history, it's shocking they haven't figured it out yet. They are also basically the only P5 program in a pretty high population state (Vandy does not compete with them in any meaningful way on the football front).

Unlike Nebraska (who Tennessee is frequently compared to in this regard), Tennessee has pretty much local access to one of the best recruiting grounds in the entire country and sits in the middle of the SEC footprint. Selling a kid on a 2-3 hour drive to Knoxville is a hell of a lot easier than convincing kids from LA or Chicago to move to the cornfields of Nebraska hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.

For all the shite that y'all give UGA for underachieving, Tennessee's level of failure for the past 15 seasons is mind-boggling.


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Tornado Alley
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In state talent is atrocious,


This is a myth that has been thrown out there for years, and it's just not true. Per Rivals, Tennessee has had:
2022 - 1 five star, 15 four stars
2021 - 10 four stars (1)
2020 - 12 four stars (7)
2019 - 13 four stars (2)
2018 - 1 five star, 13 four stars (5)
2017 - 3 five stars, 12 four stars (4)
2016 - 10 four stars (2)
2015 - 2 five stars, 11 four stars (5)

In parentheses is the number of these players Tennessee signed. From an in-state recruiting perspective, the State and team of Tennessee has talent.

IMO, Tennessee's problem has been coaching, and it has been a problem for more than a decade now. I'm not sure Josh Heuphel and his hurry-up-go-faster-than-anyone offense is the answer.


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Tornado Alley
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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And those expectations are all for a program that is likely the 8th best football program in the conference (once Texas and OU are added).


This is a garbage take too.

All-time wins
Alabama - 931 (3rd overall)
Tennessee - 850 (10th overall)
Georgia - 841 (11th overall)
LSU - 818 (12th overall)
Auburn - 784 (13th overall)
Florida - 745 (18th overall)

SEC championships
Alabama - 28
Georgia and Tennessee - 13
LSU - 12


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Tornado Alley
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I wouldn;'t call it atrocious anymore, and it's getting better and better as Nashville continues to grow. They're also centrally located to a ton of pipeline talent. One big thing hurting them is Clemson, Alabama, and UGA all being good at the same time, which cuts into their historic recruiting grounds.

Tennessee has all the resources to be a really good program again, they just keep tripping over themselves hiring coaches and it took them decades to clean up their administration at the university. If Clemson can be a top 5 program so can TN.


Nailed it.


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Bench McElroy
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
I would say Auburn is the worst "top" job. They're in a brutal division, are located in the same state as the best program in the country and have a very demanding fanbase.


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USC and UGA getting good again in the early 2000s was the killer.


Richt shutting off Atlanta from Tennessee, specifically, is one thing that made that job a lot harder.


Tornado Alley
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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I would say Auburn is the worst "top" job. They're in a brutal division, are located in the same state as the best program in the country and have a very demanding fanbase.


The Auburn job is a pressure cooker, no doubt.


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Pettifogger
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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I have no idea what to tell you. Yall, and nebraska and tennessee, arent in the same tier as the other schools on that list. Thats not being shitty. It just is what it is





#13 AP all time

But let's just go with your hot take instead


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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Alright


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RLDSC FAN
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
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Tennessee is still somewhat of a sleeping giant. Whenever UGA stops being elite, they could make some noise.


I disagree. You can only recruit 25 players a year. UT has recruited well, they're just not developing the talent.


Pettifogger
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are located in the same state as the best program in the country


The reality is that Alabama helps to sustain Auburn as a major program. It puts the spotlight on Auburn a lot, and as long as Auburn doesn't go on some prolonged losing streak, fairly regular wins over a blue blood program in one of the most heralded rivalries in sports is a major plus.

From a fan perspective, competing against Alabama/Saban looks like a tough ask. But high level college coaches are psychopaths. If they don't want that challenge, you don't want them. You may occasionally miss out on someone who is being very cautious with their career path, but most coaching candidates are narcissists and won't be dissuaded, particularly if the money is competitive.

And of course, Alabama can make Auburn do irrational things, like overpay for coaches. It's also an attractive carrot knowing you can name your price if you can regularly beat Alabama at Auburn. Auburn payed top 10 staff money for mediocrity under Gus, and Gus was here for 8 years (and relatively declining/stagnant for most of that time).

Point to a few schools comparable to Auburn that have more forgiving/patient fan bases? This always gets asked - there are never answers.


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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Nebraska and Tennessee for sure but I would say Auburn should be in that group. They’ve been to Atlanta multiple times in recent history and have won a title and played for another. They’ve also managed to be a threat to bama more than most.


Hamma1122
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re: Is Tennessee the worst "top" job in the country?
Hard to recruit there with bama Georgia Ohio st. It’s tough


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