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re: Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:12 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:12 pm to BuckyCheese
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Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:13 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I think we can all agree that 2004 Auburn is one of the saddest stories.
Hate Auburn, but it’s sad we didn’t have a playoff that year.
Hate Auburn, but it’s sad we didn’t have a playoff that year.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:17 pm to TigerintheNO
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imagine Belichick/Brady vs Saban/Brees in the same division
Saban is the best college coach of all time. Belichick is the best football mind to ever walk on this earth, including Landry and Lombardi. He would have coached circles around Saban for 10 years.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Iirc Paterno had several undefeated seasons and only one "consensus" MNC. There was a strong bias against eastern programs
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:17 pm to The Eric
2019 would be a sad story for Clemson if we hadn’t gotten a playoff. 13-0 and defending national champs that wouldn’t have gotten a chance to defend their title
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:24 pm to VADawg
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He would have coached circles around Saban for 10 years.
He was 2-2 against Saban
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:21 am to Mithridates6
Yeah fricking Nixon declared Texas the National Champ on live TV just because he was at the game with Arkansas...and before any of the rest of the games had been played. 
I mean, that's how CFB was. President says so, so I guess we're the Champs!
"I've wondered how President Nixon could know so little about Watergate in 1973 and so much about college football in 1969," Joe Paterno said in his address.
Penn State went 22-0 over two years and didn't win a National Championship.
I mean, that's how CFB was. President says so, so I guess we're the Champs!
"I've wondered how President Nixon could know so little about Watergate in 1973 and so much about college football in 1969," Joe Paterno said in his address.
Penn State went 22-0 over two years and didn't win a National Championship.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:05 am to NawlinsTiger9
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2011 will always be horseshite
^^^
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:10 am to Mithridates6
I’m sure it’s been said about 2011, but LSU went 1-1 in the head to head with the win on the road, not at home.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:13 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I love that under the old system, title count at LSU would be miles-2, Saban-0
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:26 am to Mithridates6
He's the best coach ever. Take your purple and gold glasses off.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:28 am to L5UT1ger
I’d like to give my 2 cents about the guy as a coach. Yes, I know that no one cares about what I think:
His process philosophy is fantastic for practices because it’s so simple. It is beneficial to create mentally strong players.
The difficult part of instituting it is that it takes laser focus from a coach. It’s hard not to get fired up if you have success and not fall into the trap of Focusing on winning the game while glossing over individual mistakes on single plays. People think you are crazy and miserable if you do so.
I believe it wears thin after a while once a player has a lot of experience in a professional setting as well. The coach needs near absolute power for it to be the most successful.
I love the guy. He brought to light how great LSU could be. As a fan, I feel I owe it to respect him because of that. I never dreamed as a kid that I would ever see LSU win a national title.
All that being said, being relaxed and having fun while playing the games has its place too. I wonder if he allows them to do that much.
His process philosophy is fantastic for practices because it’s so simple. It is beneficial to create mentally strong players.
The difficult part of instituting it is that it takes laser focus from a coach. It’s hard not to get fired up if you have success and not fall into the trap of Focusing on winning the game while glossing over individual mistakes on single plays. People think you are crazy and miserable if you do so.
I believe it wears thin after a while once a player has a lot of experience in a professional setting as well. The coach needs near absolute power for it to be the most successful.
I love the guy. He brought to light how great LSU could be. As a fan, I feel I owe it to respect him because of that. I never dreamed as a kid that I would ever see LSU win a national title.
All that being said, being relaxed and having fun while playing the games has its place too. I wonder if he allows them to do that much.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:35 am to L5UT1ger
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All that being said, being relaxed and having fun while playing the games has its place too. I wonder if he allows them to do that much
I'd be willing to bet well over half the players that played for him hated his guts when they were there but appreciated the process later in life.
He doesn't seem like a pleasant person to be around, and seems like he would be impossible to please as an assistant, but he's written a blueprint for how to build a successful program and maintain it over the long term.
Dabo is the polar opposite and has done the same. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
The thing about Saban is, he has influenced the game X and O wise that the casual fan doesnt know or understand. He and Belichek are two of the best tacticians in the games history.
The reason he looks like a fish out of water is that the spread doesn't require a coach to be a great tactician. If your receiver is better than his defender you win, regardless of scheme. Saban has yet to find the answer for winning 1 on 1 matchups more consistently.
When all is said and done he'll be remembered as the greatest college football coach of all time.
He's winning championships in the 85 scholarship era, and in recent years has had to win 2 games to win a championship and not 1. Also, he's been winning in an era when the SEC is the most competitive conference in America.
Regardless of whether you like the guy or not, he's the best.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 6:37 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:40 am to Mithridates6
I could give you a Les Miles list longer than that.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:09 am to NikolaiJakov
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The reason he looks like a fish out of water is that the spread doesn't require a coach to be a great tactician. If your receiver is better than his defender you win, regardless of scheme. Saban has yet to find the answer for winning 1 on 1 matchups more consistently.
AN elite spread offense is Saban's kryptonite, he consistently loses to elite spread offense teams, from Oklahoma in 2013, Ohio State in 2014, Clemson in 2016 and 2018, and LSU in 2019. To say those teams didn't need or have great coaches is quite a stretch.
Also, many years Bama has been at or near the top in recruiting rankings, so surely lacking talented defenders weren't his only problem in those loses.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:21 am to Bucks2TigerFan
It's not the scheme that causes the problem it's the match ups. With the rules for pass interference the way they are a defender has to be perfect to defend a ball.
He's played teams with spread schemes that didn't do anything because their receivers couldn't win the match ups.
The only scheme that gives him fits is the triple option/Navy type offenses. His scheme isn't built for that.
He's played teams with spread schemes that didn't do anything because their receivers couldn't win the match ups.
The only scheme that gives him fits is the triple option/Navy type offenses. His scheme isn't built for that.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:44 am to Mithridates6
If these so-called "mulligan" national championships don't count now, I have some news for LSU fans about 2007.
You're leaving out the part where Alabama proved they were better than LSU in the BCSNCG in New Orleans.
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2011 Alabama: Ssban and the Tide played an arse schedule (what else is new?) and got their only quality win at home (Arkansas). After losing at home to LSU, Alabama essentially got a bye week for the SEC title game (which LSU won against UGA). Then the Tide got a ridiculous mulligan against LSU in the BCS title game which they cashed in on. LSU finished the season as conference champions with a better record than Bama against a much better schedule and 1/2 of the head to head wins (LSU's was at home, Bama's was at a neutral site), but the retardo system considers Bama champions. This result helps lead to the Playoff
You're leaving out the part where Alabama proved they were better than LSU in the BCSNCG in New Orleans.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:47 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Why don’t you rattle off all the undefeated champs for me in the last 20 years, sport.
I can dig up 1000 posts and sound bites from 2010 and 2013 when Saban was “done”
Some of you fools never learn, but I can promise you this, Nick Saban has accomplished more at the university of Alabama in 12 years than the LSU program will accomplish in the time you have left on this Earth. And you were around to witness it. Puff on that
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:53 am to Mithridates6
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luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:13 am to Mithridates6
Well despite whatever luck it took to get there he is 10-3 in SemiFinal and National Championship games
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