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re: Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:28 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:28 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Their wins were much more impressive. You have nothing but prettiest loss and the name on your uniform.
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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the name on your uniform.
No way this same scenario happens for Miss State over Oklahoma.
At the end of the day, LSU had to beat an incredible team twice to win a title. Bama only had to do it once.
Neither game was in Tiger Stadium.
LSU had to play a really good UGA team at a neutral site to get in. Alabama got a defacto bye week.
There is no way to make an argument in support of the above things without saying “welp, tough shite!” which is the problem. LSU was the one inconvenienced when they actually won the first game in Tuscaloosa.
Nobody can argue against what happened in the Dome that night, but it takes a rare breed to have rationalized that Alabama truly belonged there. You wanted to see the two best teams play? We saw it. In November.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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Their wins were much more impressive
They weren't though. Alabama beat the best team between the two, #5 Arkansas, by 24 points.
So basically what you just said is complete bullshite
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:43 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I didn't say it did,
You just did right here:
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On selection day alabama had wins over #7 and #24 with a loss to #1 LSU in overtime
OSU had wins over #11, 15, and 19 with a loss to unranked ISU in overtime
In no world is the latter a better resume.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:45 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
This the classic example of inferior teams being ranked higher than better teams bc they have fewer losses in a poorer conference. what do you think the 20th ranked team out the big 12 would be in the SEC? Unranked. This is almost universally accepted.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:46 pm to Mithridates6
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In 2011-12, 2014-15 and 17-18 Bama had a shot at the MNC with one loss. Historically, that's unprecedented.
OU had this chance in 2018, 2017, 2015, 2008, 2003 which happens to be EVERY time they have had 1 loss in the season during that timeframe. 1 loss teams getting a shot at the MNC isn't as unusual as you are making it out to be.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:49 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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LSU was the one inconvenienced when they actually won the first game in Tuscaloosa.
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You wanted to see the two best teams play? We saw it. In November.
I mean that was just tough luck for LSU. There was never anything in the BCS nomenclature nor the playoff nomenclature that prohibited a rematch.
Why would LSU, the #1 team, be taken into consideration when trying to figure out the #2 team? What y'all were asking for there is for LSU to get a break. That's not how the system ever worked. The BCS and the playoffs were designed to get the best teams in the championship. They rightfully compared Alabama and Oklahoma State (who also did not play a conference championship game)
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:50 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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They weren't though.
They were though.
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So basically what you just said is complete bullshite
Except it isn't. They beat more ranked teams, and their rankings were higher than anyone you beat.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:52 pm to TH03
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You just did right here
What? You're accusing me of reducing their top 25 wins to 2 and then quoting a post where I list their 3 top 25 wins
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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What? You're accusing me of reducing their top 25 wins to 2 and then quoting a post where I list their 3 top 25 wins
He's saying that you're magically making your resume better than theirs.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:59 pm to elposter
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OU had this chance in 2018, 2017, 2015, 2008, 2003 which happens to be EVERY time they have had 1 loss in the season during that timeframe. 1 loss teams getting a shot at the MNC isn't as unusual as you are making it out to be.
Good point, OU has gotten the benefit of the doubt way more than they should have as well. 2008 they absolutely should not have gotten in the Big 12 title game over Texas, but they did. USC probably should have gotten in the BCS title over them in 2008. So Saban>Stoops
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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They beat more ranked teams, and their rankings were higher than anyone you beat.
they did beat one more ranked team, yes. Arkansas was ranked higher than anyone one their schedule, so again, you are wrong there.
In the BCS standings they had 4 top 25 wins and Bama had 3 top 25 wins. Bama also had the best of those 7 wins.
If you can't see why the loss would be considered when looking at the wins then I don't know what to tell you. You're basically arguing that that last top 25 win, over #24 Texas, should push them over the edge despite their loss to unranked 6-6 Iowa State. I mean damn son. Quite the hill to die on
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:03 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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they did beat one more ranked team, yes
I love that you minimize that
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If you can't see why the loss would be considered when looking at the wins then I don't know what to tell you.
Well, if the wins were equal, sure. But they weren't, so...
Then there is of course the obvious elephant in the room that they won their conference while you failed to win your division.
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Quite the hill to die on
I'd say the same to you. Just acknowledge the privilege you benefit from and we can all move on.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:03 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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then quoting a post where I list their 3 top 25 wins
Yeah and you act like bama's 2 are better because of the ISU loss.
Are you slow?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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There is no way to make an argument in support of the above things without saying “welp, tough shite!”
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tough luck for LSU
Close enough
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:13 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Again, y'all are accusing the system of being bent to favor Bama, while being upset that the system wasn't bent to favor LSU.
You're asking them to get LSU a fresh opponent there, that's ludicrous to say out loud. The intention was to get the best two teams in the game. If they've happened to have already played, then so be it. Why would they pass over the the "second best" team for the third best team? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
It's like a Lambo edging out a Maserati in a race. The Lambo was going 220 and the Maserati was going 219. 2 months later you want the fastest two cars to race. Why are you pitting the Lambo against the Camaro that went 200? The regular season wasn't then and isn't now a playoff. The BCS, like the Playoff, is designed to get the best teams in the field. Feeling it's a slight to LSU that they "have to play bama again" should never be considered. That's asking for special treatment and asking for the rules of the competition to be bent in your favor because you fancied your chances better against the third best team. There wasn't a bylaw stating that there should be special provisions taken for #1, and that they won't have to play #2 if they've already played them. I mean, it's lunacy
From LSU's perspective it was unfortunate that Alabama was a clear top 2 team that season. It was in no way unfair. Unfair would have been leaving out a top 2 team
You're asking them to get LSU a fresh opponent there, that's ludicrous to say out loud. The intention was to get the best two teams in the game. If they've happened to have already played, then so be it. Why would they pass over the the "second best" team for the third best team? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
It's like a Lambo edging out a Maserati in a race. The Lambo was going 220 and the Maserati was going 219. 2 months later you want the fastest two cars to race. Why are you pitting the Lambo against the Camaro that went 200? The regular season wasn't then and isn't now a playoff. The BCS, like the Playoff, is designed to get the best teams in the field. Feeling it's a slight to LSU that they "have to play bama again" should never be considered. That's asking for special treatment and asking for the rules of the competition to be bent in your favor because you fancied your chances better against the third best team. There wasn't a bylaw stating that there should be special provisions taken for #1, and that they won't have to play #2 if they've already played them. I mean, it's lunacy
From LSU's perspective it was unfortunate that Alabama was a clear top 2 team that season. It was in no way unfair. Unfair would have been leaving out a top 2 team
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:15 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Again, y'all are accusing the system of being bent to favor Bama, while being upset that the system wasn't bent to favor LSU.
Not one person has said that. LSU earned their spot that year, we didn't need "favor."
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You're asking them to get LSU a fresh opponent there, that's ludicrous to say out loud
It's even more ludicrous to think a team that didn't win its division is possibly the best team in the nation, let alone better than the team that beat them in their own house earlier that year.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's even more ludicrous to think a team that didn't win its division is possibly the best team in the nation, let alone better than the team that beat them in their own house earlier that year.
Is it though? The results from January tell a different story
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Is it though?
Yes.
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The results from January tell a different story
they tell a story of a team that get a chance no other team would get. Again, no one has said you didn't win the game. so perhaps come up with something new to say.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:20 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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That's asking for special treatment and asking for the rules of the competition to be bent in your favor
You’re one of the more level-headed and fair Bama posters, but the irony of this statement in regards to what we’re discussing is outrageous.
The team who got an unprecedented rematch without winning their conference is accusing the team at #1 of asking for special treatment.
I don’t even know what to say to that.
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