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re: Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:21 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:21 pm to LNCHBOX
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LSU earned their spot that year
indeed they did
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we didn't need "favor."
but what you were asking for is that LSU be considered when debating about the #2 team. LSU already beat bama so why should they have to play them again. That's called asking for favor. They had to play them again because Alabama was deemed the 2nd best team in the country, and the goal is to match up #1 and #2. It's a simple as that. The clear cut Number 1 and their feelings are removed from the picture when discussing who is number 2. At the end of the day it's a simple question. Who is number 2. That's who they put in the game, with no thought to LSU
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:22 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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but what you were asking for is that LSU be considered when debating about the #2 team.
No, we are asking that what Bama accomplished be considered. You had your shot and blew it. But because Bama, you got a do over.
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At the end of the day it's a simple question. Who is number 2
I'd take the team with the stronger resume. that wasn't bama.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:24 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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You’re one of the more level-headed and fair Bama posters, but the irony of this statement in regards to what we’re discussing is outrageous.
The team who got an unprecedented rematch without winning their conference is accusing the team at #1 of asking for special treatment.
I don’t even know what to say to that.
I cannot wait to see the spin required to respond to this.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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unprecedented rematch
The rematch was unprecedented, that's how the results played out over the season across the country. Again, the fact that it was a rematch; why does that matter in determining who the #2 team is? I'm being serious and want to hear the logic behind that thought process.
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without winning their conference
This wasn't new. Oklahoma got in after a 35-7 loss in a big 12 championship game, because despite their loss they were deemed the second best team in the country. Who is deemed number 1 at that time is irrelevant isn't it? the debate is between #2 and #3 and which one is the better football team
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:26 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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This wasn't new. Oklahoma got in after a 35-7 loss in a big 12 championship game, because despite their loss they were deemed the second best team in the country.
Yall didn't even match their division win.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:29 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Wait Bammers don't like "asking for favor" now?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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You had your shot and blew it.
Sigh. Y'alls entire premise is that Alabama shouldn't be in the championship because they played LSU in the regular season. That's never how it worked. Again, your looking at it from a "what's fair to LSU" angle and not put the top 2 teams in the country in the game angle.
If we "blew it" by losing a game to LSU, why didn't OSU "blow it" by losing a game to Iowa State?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:31 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Sigh.
I know. The truth hurts.
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Y'alls entire premise is that Alabama shouldn't be in the championship because they played LSU in the regular season
And didn't win their division. And had less ranked wins than a team that won their conference.
Argue your prettiest loss til you're blue in the face. No team besides Bama gets that shot.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:34 pm to LNCHBOX
Can the best two teams in the country not be in the same conference or division? That doesn't make any sense. You're trying to make the point that regular season game are single elimination playoff games. They certainly can be by default if you've got 2 undefeated teams left standing, but they've never been defacto playoff games. The entire argument for you rests on the fact that 11/5 was an elimination game. That was conjured up and never based in reality. Sure, it seemed that way at the time, but it wasn't by definition an elimination game
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:34 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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If we "blew it" by losing a game to LSU, why didn't OSU "blow it" by losing a game to Iowa State?
Okie State won their conference, they had the same record as Alabama. They finished their season by beating ranked Oklahoma, Alabama finished their season by beating shitty Auburn. If South Carolina or Miss. State had been in Bama's situation, they wouldn't have gotten in, it was entirely the work of Bama's media hype machine, like most of your other mulligans
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:35 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Can the best two teams in the country not be in the same conference or division
Maybe, but it's extremely unlikely and there was no data to suggest it overwhelmingly.
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The entire argument for you rests on the fact that 11/5 was an elimination game.
No, the entire season is the argument. Okie State did more than you to deserve to be in that game.
ETA: And don't think that no one notices you're using end of season rankings to decide how many ranked teams yall each beat. At the time of the selection, OSU had beaten 5, and Bama had only beaten 2.
ETA 2 and for the fan of extenuating circumstances
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"It was a horrendous loss. It was also a day they spent the entire day thinking about a plane crash (that killed two Oklahoma State women's basketball coaches). That doesn't mean I'm voting them out of sympathy. It does mean it's not quite the same if they went down there a week earlier and lost in the same fashion."
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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Argue your prettiest loss til you're blue in the face. No team besides Bama gets that shot.
USC won their conference in 2003 and was left out of the game in favor of Oklahoma, who did not win their conference, in fact they lost it by 4 touchdowns. Try again, and keep pumping up that win for OSU over #24 texas as the difference maker like that one extra win over a ranked opponent is some be all end all
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:And that shouldn't have happened.
USC won their conference in 2003 and was left out of the game in favor of Oklahoma, who did not win their conference, in fact they lost it by 4 touchdowns. T
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Try again, and keep pumping up that win for OSU over #24 texas as the difference maker like that one extra win over a ranked opponent is some be all end all
See my above edit about your ranked teams argument.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Riseupfromtherubble
Just admit you benefit from tremendous privilege and we can let this end.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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At the time of the selection, OSU had beaten 5, and Bama had only beaten 2.
False. OSU had beaten 4 and Alabama had beaten 3.
OSU had victories over Kansas State, Oklahoma, Baylor, and Texas
Bama had victories over Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State. After the conference championship games and before the bowls, those were the teams in the BCS top 25
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:44 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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False. OSU had beaten 4 and Alabama had beaten 3.
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Alabama has defeated two teams currently ranked in the BCS (Arkansas and Penn State); Oklahoma State has beaten five (Oklahoma, Kansas State, Baylor, Texas and Missouri). Alabama lost 9-6 in overtime at home to No. 1 LSU; Oklahoma State lost 37-31 in double-overtime at unranked Iowa State.
Go away already. You look ridiculous.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:45 pm to LNCHBOX
The plane crash argument? really? They had a 24-7 lead in the third quarter
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:46 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The plane crash argument? really? They had a 24-7 lead in the third quarter
Oh, so extenuating circumstances only favoring your team are legit?
You have absolutely no shame.This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:48 pm to LNCHBOX
It's sad that you're using that as justification for the loss when they held a 24-7 lead in the game, I think most here can agree with that. They didn't find out about the plane crash at halftime
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