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re: Is LIV golf killing the professional sport of golf?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
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You are the one bitching at the tour for the players leaving
I’m not bitching about them leaving. I understand why and would follow the money as well if the tour acted like they have over the past decade
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:19 am to TROLA
quote:A fifth sight wouldn’t have helped the PGA Tour combat the Saudis from doing this.
It doesn’t matter why to me. What matters is the lack of forth sight by the pga to get ahead of this.. the treatment of those that left, the BS with the rankings and the unwillingness to engage the concerns.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:19 am to Cosmo
LIv requires the players to play 14 events all over the globe. Add the majors that’s 18. The top guys aren’t turning around and adding pga events to that as well….
It’s a complete fallacy to say if the tour let them leave it would have been all kosher for them
It’s a complete fallacy to say if the tour let them leave it would have been all kosher for them
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:21 am to lsupride87
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It’s a complete fallacy to say if the tour let them leave it would have been all kosher for them
It wouldn't have been great
But its better than the mess they have made now
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:22 am to TROLA
quote:This could be my favorite fan narrative. All of a sudden the tour, who had nothing but an incredible growth and fan swell of positive movement became this big bad slave driver over night
ll if the tour acted like they have over the past decade
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:22 am to lsupride87
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The PGA tour had its highest tv ratings ever last year, so in terms of having leverage the players that left didn’t have much because it didn’t hurt the bottom line, and people didn’t tune into liv.
They may have up but even a large portion of their players are starting to revolt so watch out for more players to go to LIV. The move to copy LIV with larger purse no cut tournaments and limit is to a subset of the players has not gone over well and while the players missing will not be huge names, the PGA cant afford to have all out mutiny amongst their players.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:24 am to Cosmo
quote:Would it? They still have the majority of top 50 players. They still have almost all of the up and coming young guys. I think if they allowed them to leave with no penalty they would be looking far worse
But its better than the mess they have made now
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
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All of a sudden the tour, who had nothing but an incredible growth and fan swell of positive movement
All because Tiger was born
They didnt do anything special to create that growth. Nobody cares about the fedex cup
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:25 am to LSU5508
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n a large portion of their players are starting to revolt
The guys "revolting" are like #120 on tour and mad that Tiger and Rory are getting paid more than them.
There's a reason Lebron and Steph Curry make more than the #12 guy on the bench.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:26 am to ReauxlTide222
A fifth sight wouldn’t have helped the PGA Tour combat the Saudis from doing this.
Auto correct aside. When facing someone who clearly has more resources than you, it’s wise not to act all high and mighty while quietly telling them to frick off.. then try and ruin all the players who see generational wealth before their eyes and try to destroy their reputations as well
Auto correct aside. When facing someone who clearly has more resources than you, it’s wise not to act all high and mighty while quietly telling them to frick off.. then try and ruin all the players who see generational wealth before their eyes and try to destroy their reputations as well
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:29 am to TROLA
quote:As you have noted, the tour is competing with an entity offering far more money than they can dream of ever having, YET, the tour still has 41/50 of the top golfers in the world according to datagolf. So how can you say they did a terrible job?
Auto correct aside. When facing someone who clearly has more resources than you, it’s wise not to act all high and mighty while quietly telling them to frick off.. then try and ruin all the players who see generational wealth before their eyes and try to destroy their reputations as well
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:30 am to TROLA
I actually agree with you that they handled all of this about as bad as possible. I'm still not convinced that it would've made much of a difference in the end with the amount of money being paid by LIV.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:31 am to lsupride87
I mean they did scapegoat guys leaving to eventually cave to the Saudis anyway all while throwing their loyal guys under the bus and completely blindside them.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:33 am to TROLA
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Auto correct aside. When facing someone who clearly has more resources than you, it’s wise not to act all high and mighty while quietly telling them to frick off.. then try and ruin all the players who see generational wealth before their eyes and try to destroy their reputations as well
Jay Monahan made sure there is no moral high ground to use as future PGA propaganda. No more blood money, no more 9/11 tragedy to speak about. That stigma for anyone leaving the PGA is gone.
The merger attempt and having LIV sitting as potential Chairman of the PGA Board now gives LIV a chance to negotiate with all the golfers about wealth. And only wealth.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
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As you have noted, the tour is competing with an entity offering far more money than they can dream of ever having, YET, the tour still has 41/50 of the top golfers in the world according to datagolf. So how can you say they did a terrible job?
Top golfers according to who?
The irony in this is that many like myself dont enjoy LIV. I liked my little bubble of the Tour but when you dive into the reality of what’s happened, it’s easy to see the missteps the tour has and continues to make. The leadership has been abysmal and revolved around to few players and yes men
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:41 am to TROLA
quote:I literally put it in the post. DataGolf
Top golfers according to who?
It isn’t fair to use the rankings
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:43 am to TROLA
What moves could the PGA Tour have made to soften the blow of some random entity coming in and buying their players?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:49 am to TROLA
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The irony in this is that many like myself dont enjoy LIV. I liked my little bubble of the Tour but when you dive into the reality of what’s happened, it’s easy to see the missteps the tour has and continues to make. The leadership has been abysmal and revolved around to few players and yes men
This is where I’m at. I’m a traditionalist. I would have preferred the Tour remain as is (Hell, I still refer to the ATT as the “Crosby”). But, that hypocritical bag of shite Jay’s responses and actions have thrown me solidly into the LIV camp. If he hadn’t been so ham-handed in his approach to this LIV may never have achieved critical mass in its development. His “we’re the PGAT. You need us more than we need you” stance backfired hugely. Once that first wave of players left with little to no downside, it was only a matter of time before more big names joined LIV.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:53 am to SoFla Tideroller
The PGA should do a wellness check on Rory!!
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:54 am to ReauxlTide222
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What moves could the PGA Tour have made to soften the blow of some random entity coming in and buying their players?
Start by not shaming them for taking “blood money”. Maybe open up the books more to the players, allow aging players to tinker with their schedules more. Add different formats. It’s clear there’s been an increasing disconnect as more money flows into the game as the tour caters itself to a smaller group of stars. The tour was behind on the streaming game until the past few years as they’ve missed the boat on some big revenue opportunities in that realm. The list of ideas has been long if you look over the past decade of player thoughts.
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