re: Is lebron a nba legend?

You’re just making a subjective statement and asking me to change your mind. That isn’t an argument, you just like the play because you like the player. It was an impactful play but (A it wasn’t just Lebron on the play, Smith caused AI to bring the ball down (B it didn’t decide the game (C it wasn’t an unprecedented play. You can call it a signature Lebron play but it’s not “one of the greatest plays in Finals history” based on the context that’s always been used. Now if your description includes 4x as many plays as mine does then fine but that’s still very subjective and specific to your preference.


“I like a thing and you don’t” isn’t an argument

I listed several reasons why I thought it was one of the greatest moments including all of things surrounding the game both during and before.

You answered with “it’s not” the first time and didn’t reply to anything.

So who is being subjective here? It might blow your mind that Kyries shot was also one of greatest moments for the same reasons. I think you are capable of using big words and crawfishing but not actually submitting any evidence to back up “it’s not.”

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He isn’t clutch

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The two biggest shots in lebrons entire career weren’t even made by him. It was Kyries 3 to beat the warriors and Ray Allen’s corner 3 to beat the Spurs.

Sorry you’d like his dick in your mouth but he at the very least isn’t the guy taking the most important shots in his life when they matter most and at most he isn’t clutch at all. Which he isn’t. You can cherry pick moments in his career where he has been clutch in that moment but if you take his career in total he’s rated pretty poorly when it comes to however basketball metrics rate clutch. Argue with the nerds after you swallow his jizz, not me

LeBron not having enough help has been a meme since I was like in high school and I’m 38.

1. His old arse needs to retire and stop accumulating vacuous counting stats while usually being an actual net negative to his team in box + minus

2. Without the immense amount of help LeBron has been generously surrounded by almost his entire career he’d have 1 ring. And that is when he legitimately drug the cavs to the title by himself. That was super impressive and I give him big ups for that.

He’s also been swept now 4 times in his career.

Twice in the finals
Once in the conference finals
And now against OKC

Add gentlemen’s sweeps to that and it paints a much worse picture



Much clutch. Big impressed


Get him some help

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Correct and you’re highlighting another pillar of the Lebron argument which is “he’s done it all by himself”

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strawman

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or with lesser teams.

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This is somewhat correct for most of his career compared to the competition. A few of those years in Miami don't count but there aren't many of them as a % of his career

Jordan was swept twice btw both in the first round in the very beginning of his career

What you’re saying is simply not factual. It’s all based on your biased framing.

Your emoji just proves you want the idea of what you’re doing dismissed. It’s a dismissal to provide cover so you can continue doing it since you have no argument.

Idk about all that. I’m not huge into basketball at least not like baseball and football.

I mostly see him on the political board where I rarely agree with him but his arguments are never too many chromosomes level takes about “muh help”

Btw the lakers had a +/- of -39 this season when LeBron was on the court. Why is this guy still getting treated like he’s a star and not a role player?