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re: Is Kobe Bryant top 5 all time......for the Lakers?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:40 am to DownSouthCrawfish
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:40 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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Are you calling Magic a liar?
I'm saying that he's either (a) incorrect or (b) he is construing the phrase "best Laker ever" to include career statistics in a way that I find irrelevant.
How about this: Kobe was never the best player in the league. Not even one year. Not even in 2006, and definitely not the year he won the MVP.
Dispute that.
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:41 am to RTR America
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1a. Magic
1b. Kobe
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:44 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Top five lakers are Kareem, Kobe, magic, west, and Shaq IMO. frick, that is loaded.
Would this be the greatest starting 5 produced by any team?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:48 am to bobbyray21
quote:Oh he done did it now.
How about this: Kobe was never the best player in the league. Not even one year. Not even in 2006, and definitely not the year he won the MVP.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:52 am to bobbyray21
Kobe was the best player in 2005. That is for damn sure.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:55 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Kobe was the best player in 2005. That is for damn sure.
34-48?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:56 am to 504Voodoo
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Would this be the greatest starting 5 produced by any team?
Probably. Celtics could do Havlicek, Bird, Russell, Cousy, Pierce/KG.
Bulls could do Jordan, Pippen, Sloan, Rose, Rodman.
I think those would be the three best teams, with the Lakers being the best overall by a country mile.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:58 am to bobbyray21
I thought you would be better than this. I guess not.
Give me a real argument. Don't tell how shitty smush Parker, Luke Walton, and company were.
Give me a real argument. Don't tell how shitty smush Parker, Luke Walton, and company were.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:01 pm to bobbyray21
quote:
How about this: Kobe was never the best player in the league. Not even one year. Not even in 2006, and definitely not the year he won the MVP.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:03 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I thought you would be better than this. I guess not.
Give me a real argument. Don't tell how shitty smush Parker, Luke Walton, and company were.
1. Thanks for your lofty expectations
2. While I agree that the best team doesn't always have the best player, when your team loses one player and then loses 22 more games the following year, I have a very difficult time seeing how he was making that team better.
3. In other words, think about "best player" in terms of VORP, as there is really no other way to think about "best player".
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:07 pm to bobbyray21
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3. In other words, think about "best player" in terms of VORP, as there is really no other way to think about "best player".
And then tell me he was better than Tim Duncan.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:12 pm to bobbyray21
Fine, that is a fair argument whether you thought Kobe or Duncan was better that year. Neither of us are going to budge on our sides, so no point in going through this.
Between the numbers and from what I saw with my own eyes, I thought he was clearly the best player in the NBA that season.
I think the most amazing thing is that it is 7 years after his best season, and he is still an absolute stud.
Between the numbers and from what I saw with my own eyes, I thought he was clearly the best player in the NBA that season.
I think the most amazing thing is that it is 7 years after his best season, and he is still an absolute stud.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:12 pm to bobbyray21
quote:He said '05, but he meant '06. Kobe was pretty awful in '05. '06 was his best year, but you could make a strong argument that he wasn't the best player in the league that year. But people like that he scored 35 ppg. That said, I'm okay with just giving him that year because there was no clear cut "best player" that year in my opinion. And yes, his '08 MVP year was a clear theft of CP3.
2. While I agree that the best team doesn't always have the best player, when your team loses one player and then loses 22 more games the following year, I have a very difficult time seeing how he was making that team better.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:13 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:I assume you meant 05-06.
Kobe was the best player in 2005. That is for damn sure
I think the main point, whether he never was or not, is that if you look at all time NBA top 5 or 10 guys, Kobe probably has less seasons in the league as the clearcut best player.
What does that mean? Who knows, but I think it's a legit claim.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:15 pm to jturn17
Paul was totally robbed of that MVP for sure. I guess you could blame Steve Nash. Well, really you could blame the voters for being total tards.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:28 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:I always do.
Well, really you could blame the voters for being total tards.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:29 pm to bobbyray21
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Kobe was never the best player in the league
This is patently false.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:30 pm to bobbyray21
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34-48?
Look at his supporting cast. Its amazing they won that many
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:33 pm to RollTigers
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Probably. Celtics could do Havlicek, Bird, Russell, Cousy, Pierce/KG.
Bulls could do Jordan, Pippen, Sloan, Rose, Rodman.
I think those would be the three best teams, with the Lakers being the best overall by a country mile.
Let's not forget Philly, which would have some combination of Wilt, Dr. J, Moses, Allen Iverson, Barkley, and Cunningham
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:33 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:That is patently debateable lol.
This is patently false
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